OLD/MODERN ROSES COMMENTS & QUESTIONS

[Ladygardener]

Oh no Rony, I've had wrong seeds and wrong plants from them too.

[Jasmine]

Jul 17, 2011 8:59:52 GMT Ron said:

My experience with T&M isn't promising, Jasmine. When they sent me a wrong rose, I complained, went through the lengthy process of wrapping it for return (they supplied the label) and taking it to the post office, and awaited the replacement. They sent me another version of the same wrong rose again!

That's what put me off to be honest Rony - perhaps I'll just look for another climber that doesn't mind a bit of shade!
I was going to say that I might just stick to seeds from T&M but your post doesn't sound very positive LG - what are they like i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd161/GWDAdmin1/Smilies/Default/undecided.gif

[Ladygardener]

I remember ordering seeds for Monarda and getting something else entirely but I can't remember what .

[Jasmine]

This is Iceberg a few months after it's very severe short, back and sides. It was the best thing to do RF - I was that close to putting it in the compost bin but it is so healthy now so thank you for the very good advice.



It is about 4ft high and has a couple of buds on it.

[Rosefriend]

That is marvellous Jasmine - I am so pleased - I hope that the stems harden well before the winter months.

RF

[Jasmine]

I reckon they need to harden before the end of October RF - that's certainly been the pattern of autumn in the SE for the past couple of years - November being the first really cold weather.

[Rosefriend]

If you are uneasy then mound the plant up with soil as we do here in Germany.

RF

[Jasmine]

Thanks for the tip RF - do you make a mound with ordinary soil?

[Rosefriend]

When I first learnt donkey's years ago I was told to scrape the earth around the rose and make a mound.....ermm....yes if you don't have a garden that is jammed packed with plants and no spare earth at all....

So, I have always bought some compost and thrown it on top of the roses making fairly high mounds (it sinks with time) and if the rose was a sensitive one I added fir branches etc. Here in Germany I tend to make the east side a little higher as that is the bitterly cold Russian wind side which just burns and kills so much in our winters.

RF

[Jasmine]

Thank you RF! I'd have to do the same as I have no spare earth either.

[Chuckles]

Oh dear I spotted this today, one very unhappy looking rose in a pot

[Jasmine]

My Margaret Merrill is in a pot Chuckles and it has BS and mildew - into the ground in autumn I think!
I think mine is under stress due to ineffecient watering

[Jilly]

My Margaret Merrill is in a pot too Jasmine, it doesn't look too bad, well no worse than any of my other Roses at this time of year. I'm afraid I'm quite relaxed (lazy i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd161/GWDAdmin1/Smilies/Default/grin.gif ) with my Roses, I expect them all to have a bit (well some years quite a lot) of BS & really don't worry about it.

Did you get a second flush of flowers on your MM, I didn't, but wondered if it just isn't the type, it was fed in July along with all the others?

Jillyx

[Jasmine]

No Jilly - no second flush of flowers at all - not even a sign of any more buds before it went mildewy. I'm trying to be a bit more relaxed about BS - certainly none of the gardens (NT etc...) round here worry about it! ;D

[Rosefriend]

Sept 29, 2011 16:53:42 GMT Chuckles said:

Oh dear I spotted this today, one very unhappy looking rose in a pot

I don't think that many rose growers haven't had problem this summer - I have only two rose without BS and I have even a couple with Rust. It is only to be expected with so much rain even if roses are considered to be resistant. Obviously the more roses in a garden the quicker BS can spread.
Make sure that all the leaves get taken out of the garden - never in the compost as the spores will go everywhere.

RF

[Jasmine]

I took 2 Mary Rose rose cuttings from school in the summer holidays and they both took and now one of them has a flower!

[Ladygardener]

Very well done Jasmine, it's stayed so healthy too.

[Jasmine]

Thanks LG.
Talking about healthy roses, the most healthy rose in my garden is Jasmina. I was just having a mooch round the garden yesterday and there's not a speck of black spot on that rose.

[Rosefriend]

Oct 15, 2011 8:47:38 GMT Jasmine said:

I took 2 Mary Rose rose cuttings from school in the summer holidays and they both took and now one of them has a flower!

Well done Jasmine - Mary Rose is a great rose , even if it is DA!! The tones of the blooms are lovely - they start off lovely and sort of mid-dark and get lighter and lighter...

Oct 15, 2011 10:42:05 GMT Jasmine said:

Thanks LG.
Talking about healthy roses, the most healthy rose in my garden is Jasmina. I was just having a mooch round the garden yesterday and there's not a speck of black spot on that rose.

Of course Jasmine is your healthiest rose - it is from me and I don't just have any old roses in my garden...hehe!!

Actually Jasmina really is an very very healthy rose...true Kordes quality but this year has really been a trial for many roses, I am afraid.

RF

[Jasmine]

Thanks RF - Mary Rose smells gorgeous too.
I knew it was Jasmina's German genes! ;D

[sharon]

hi, have just took 25 roses from my mum/dads new allotment, i have cut them all right down, although reading this i think i should have waited till after winter , do i now bury them deep and cover them in compost/mulch to stop them dying in the winter. have not had roses before so am a bit green ;D ;D

[Jasmine]

That's a lot of roses Sharon!
I think the idea is to get the bud graft (the lumpy bit of stalk above the roots) buried 5cm below the level of the soil. Then just wait til spring if you've pruned them all back now!
There's better rose growers than me on here though so there may be other advice!

[Rosefriend]

If the roses are going to be out of the earth for any length of time (4/5 days) then pop them in a bucket for water for 24 hours...

It's not so bad that you have pruned back - depending on how short you can always prune back a little more in Spring. Spring pruning is more favourable as it helps stops any disease getting in during the winter.

Depending on how long the roots are I would shorten those as well...it will help stop the shock of transplanting, plus if roots are shortened it helps to encourage the roses to produce the fibrous roots and those carry the food to the rose in the Spring...

As Jasmine says, plant the bud graft around 5cms under the ground and I would also add a handful of bonemeal in the hole.

If you are still worried that they may not survive then use the German way of mounding up the rose with compost to stop it freezing back so far...

RF

[sharon]

thanks for your advice, will plant them tomorrow and put some bonemeal in with them,fingers crossed they survive, then next year will have to post pics to find out what i've got. ;D

[sharon]

have planted my roses, didn't have bonemeal, so bought toprose, sounded the same on the packet, have planted them in horse/cow manure that has been sat for 10 months, covered them in wood chippings, someof the roses have brown stems, with green shoots coming off the brown, do i cut this down in the spring or leave the brown as it has the green stem off it,?. thanks

[Rosefriend]

Sounds good Sharon - just dont feed anymore for a while - compost and fertilizer is a lot of power in winter.
Brown doesn't necessarily mean dead but old - there is obviously juice in there otherwise the side shoots wouldn't grow. I would actually just leave them - if the UK gets a bad winter then it will sort itself out anyway...

Any chance of a lovely pic from all your hard work??

RF

[sharon]

yes will take one tomorrow, as it's dark now, thanks for the advice. ;D

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