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Post by oldmoleskins on Oct 16, 2009 7:53:30 GMT
I took the risk of digging one cutting up and put it in a pot. I now have two cuttings alive. One at MssK and one in pot. To get those flowers I will have to wait till next year but is sure looks like it is worth waiting for.  Did you cut it back hard this year? And if so did it grow back very vigorously? I am wondering how big it will grow as I need to find a good space for two ( providing they both get through Winter ) Nah... like most things 'ornamental' round here it was neglected so I can't give you much info on its potential - but it certainly will reach a fair old way: the longest stems when it was escaping over the greenhouse were a good 10 feet (3m in new money). OM. |
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Post by Chuckles on Oct 16, 2009 8:25:38 GMT
Well done with the cuttings Dutchy, the flowers are lovely and I'm sure will be well worth the wait. Did it have a lovely perfume OM, looks like it should have  Foz, my Mutabalis (sp) is still flowering, did you get one this year. Tig, I'm currently giving my Iceburg the chop  it's really out done itself and I need to let a bit of light in, not sure if the lot will go yet. Fortunatley I do have 2 others in the garden that are cuttings from the orginal so all will not be lost. Seem to be having a thing about roses at the moment and have several to find homes for in the garden. I'll have a recky on the names and post them sometime, brain not in gear yet ;D |
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Post by Rosefriend on Oct 16, 2009 11:53:03 GMT
What ever you do Dutchy, don't cut it back now or you will lose the flowers for next year. It needs to be pruned directly after flowering if it is too big.
RF
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Post by Dutchy on Oct 22, 2009 17:34:01 GMT
Thanks RF won't prune but nature has already nibbled it down a bit. 3Meter in new money is quite a yikes though... It may never flower ;D  Nah I'll find space for it. If need be, illegal space somewhere in Amsterdam.... |
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Post by Dutchy on Mar 17, 2010 10:26:07 GMT
Both cuttings have made it through Winter. One in pot and one in full soil at MssK. Little green shoots showing willingness to romp. I hope to get at least one flower this year if only to put my nose in and find out what it does smell like  |
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Post by Chuckles on Mar 17, 2010 20:21:23 GMT
Well done with the cutting Dutchy, fingers crossed for a heavenly smelling rose ;D
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Post by Ladygardener on Mar 17, 2010 21:07:07 GMT
It's wonderful when cuttings start to put on new growth, well done Dutchy. I'm hoping that my 2 year old cutting will give me a flower or two this year. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by Dutchy on Mar 19, 2010 18:24:02 GMT
;D yep fingers crossed.
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 19, 2010 18:47:03 GMT
How big is your little cutting now LG?
I have got 3 babies which started off as cuttings from RF. I did start off with 6 and 3 have survived the winter. I don't know whether they are Abigaile or Jasmina but I am so pleased that they have got this far.
Did you have some MRH?
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Post by Missredhead on Mar 19, 2010 20:38:05 GMT
I did Jas but sadly they haven't survived, they went a bit mouldy looking.
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 19, 2010 21:17:07 GMT
Well, you can have 1 of my babies if they all grow MRH...and you would like one. Has anyone got rosa boule de neige in their garden? I am thinking of making a rose bed and I am after roses that hopefully won't get covered in black spot by the end of summer. It is supposed to smell beautiful. |
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Post by Ladygardener on Mar 20, 2010 10:19:20 GMT
Just popped out and took a pic, it's a good size now but already the leaves that did'nt leave over winter time have got spot on them. I have 3-4 other cuttings that have taken and putting on new growth. If they come out half as nice as the grafted parent I'll be delighted.  |
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Post by Jasmine on Mar 20, 2010 11:13:35 GMT
Your little rose is looking good and healthy LG. Wait til someone finds a 'cure' for blackspot - won't that be brilliant. I bought a couple of reduced roses during the winter and their leaves had blackspot til I cut them off the other day.
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Post by Ladygardener on Mar 20, 2010 14:32:10 GMT
Thanks Jasmine, I'll take the spotty leaves off this afternoon. Hope yours do well for you too. |
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Post by Dutchy on Mar 23, 2010 18:37:15 GMT
Erm have you got carrots growing in with your rose?
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Post by Ladygardener on Mar 23, 2010 19:19:57 GMT
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Post by Chuckles on Mar 31, 2010 16:27:23 GMT
I rescued a climbing rose today (I wasn't going to buy any more roses but I felt sorry for it :  The label has it named as 'Caribbean Orange' but I have googled and cannot find a climber with that name, anyone else heard of it? It has been treated dreadfully and all the little shoots have withered due to lack of water I think. Will it revive or have I wasted 20p? Tidied it up and given it a good drink, but not planting it out until I see signs of life ... or not  x Tig Has Carribean sprung to life this year Tig, hope so |
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Post by Dutchy on Apr 1, 2010 17:43:34 GMT
LG I have finally recovered from naming your Nigella Carrots ;D.
I lost the red rose I rescued and because of it checked on OM's rose in pot.
I think I saved it but what eats away at the base from the stem stripping the poor plant of it's bark?
Any idea what pest did this.
I "dusted" the pot and found nothing. So far no new damage has appeared.
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 3, 2010 12:42:09 GMT
I have been thinking about your bark problem ever since I read the post and I don't really know what it could be...rabbits was my first thought as they love bark but I doubt that is the problem, borers normally go from the top of a stem to the bottom. It could be something in the soil....nematodes perhaps...
RF
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Post by Dutchy on Apr 4, 2010 10:35:50 GMT
It could have been wet combined with small bugs. Not sure on nematodes. It is just the first centimeter of stem above soil. At least the main stem of OM's rose is fine and growing. Next year I'll place the pot somewhere drier. See if that works. We live and learn |
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Post by Tig on May 1, 2010 18:39:25 GMT
Chuckles Caribbean Orange was sadly beyond help and died on me But I've had better luck with this years rescue roses London Bridge is really doing well despite being in a dryish area of the garden by the eleagnus  Pauls Scarlet has picked up since I moved it from the shadow of the holly  I'm very happy with the progress being made by Pink Perfume  and Fragrant Dreamer  unfortunately Scented Touch seems very stunted in comparison to the other two in the same bed .. it is a pathetic looking specimen at the moment  It has been fed and watered the same as the others, maybe it is not on very vigorous rootstock Any ideas from the experts to perk it up a bit? x Tig |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 2, 2010 6:10:23 GMT
Can you give me a close up on that Tig please and has it been moved??
RF
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Post by Tig on May 3, 2010 15:37:51 GMT
It hasn't been moved RF, and has had the same treatment as the other two in the same border, I've cropped the photo to give a closer view of it  x Tig |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 3, 2010 18:02:40 GMT
It hasn't been moved RF, and has had the same treatment as the other two in the same border, I've cropped the photo to give a closer view of it x Tig Dunno really - the one thing that really catches my eye is that is looks from the pic (not saying it is) that the bud grafting is above the ground and a bud graft should always be 5cms under...well, unless it is a standard and then you would have to dig a rather deep hole!!! Having said that I can't see any frost damage - I also can't get any info on Scented Touch - I don't think that I know the rose. The leaves look healthy as wll. I was always told that if you can't see the problem "up top" then it is "down below".. Was a rose planted there before perhaps...cat pee, a plant that was there for a very long time....?? RF |
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Post by Tig on May 3, 2010 19:43:15 GMT
It is above ground RF, I've probably planted them all like that - from the days when my Mum used to tell me that they have to be above ground so you can pull off any suckers cleanly from the root stock  They are in the 'new' bed I dug last autumn out of the lawn so definitely no other rose has ever grown there, and the other two in there are doing really well. I couldn't find Scented Touch either, and the image of the flower on the label is more like a 'rugosa' type rose with an open flower and fewer petals, it is supposedly red. Perhaps it just isn't a very vigorous grower If it doesn't perform it will come out! Thanks for looking at it for me x Tig |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 4, 2010 5:28:30 GMT
Years and years ago it was the thing to plant the bud graft above the soil - no wonder loads of roses died or started throwing up wild shoots....you have really been lucky - I wouldn't dare do that here.
That rose looks healthy, strong shoots which says to me that it could be a good strong bush rose, it could also be a HT....
I would give it a chance, it looks good if a little stunted which would suggest root problems - perhaps it just doesn't like the cold weather!!
Keep us updated - I am interested to see what happens to it - who knows it could turn out to be one of your best roses....I have one that took three years to develop and it's a little beauty now.
RF
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Post by Jasmine on May 4, 2010 18:05:39 GMT
Does anyone have experience of/own the rose Honorine de Brabant?
I have one in the bed by the shed along with my super flowering Winchester rose and Eglantyne. I decided to give Honorine de Brabant one last chance this year as it rarely flowers and gets terrible blackspot. It gets fed and treated the same as all my other roses and although it has great foliage it is not doing very well otherwise.
It is probably about 3 years old. Have I just not given it enough time?
If I dig it out how long before I can put another rose in its place?
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Post by Rosefriend on May 5, 2010 12:20:55 GMT
It looks as though it is me again - yes I know Honorine de Brabant - a really lovely Bourbon rose that smells wonderful. It can stand half shade as well, although roses are always better in sun, and if my memory serves me right it a very hardy rose - stands minus 25/30degC, probably why I know it!!!
As to what is wrong with yours Jasmine...dunno really. It is really worth keeping and roses do not like being dug up and planted somewhere else but it might be the answer. I have done it a few times and each time it was as though the rose took on a new lease of life and was magnificent ever after.
I learnt that you should never plant roses where a rose once stood. Now, others say it is OK and the use nematodes (marigolds) etc etc - I still wouldn't, but that is only my opinion. I have roses where others have been but I always change the earth and make sure that around the bud graft there is only new earth...
If you want to move the rose you could try it now - otherwise it is too late and you will have to wait until autumn. You need to dig it up, making very sure that you get as much of the rootball as possible and that the long roots do not break off. Dig the hole that it is going into beforehand so that it can be put in straight away. Fill in and water thoroughly.
At this point actually you should cut back as in theory roses shouldn't be moved once they start growing but it depends on how much growth there is. You might have to wait for blooms until later but it is a repeat flowering rose so will flower at some point.
I confess to having moved roses even in summer, on cloudy days but it isn't really recommended.
You could of course give it a strict talking to and move it in autumn if it hasn't obeyed....or you can always bin it but it is a rose well worth keeping if possible.
RF
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Post by Jasmine on May 5, 2010 13:10:37 GMT
Thank you so much for all that info RF.
I think I will go for the strict talking to option and move it in autumn if it doesn't buck up it's ideas. The pictures of it that I have seen are just glorious.
Sorry, one more thing. Do you thin out your roses if they have lots of branches in the middle - I'm just thinking about air circulation and black spot.
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Post by Rosefriend on May 5, 2010 13:28:41 GMT
Branches that cross should always be shortened and pruned to an "outgoing" bud - this applies to all rose branches. This will help the air flow and blackspot, mildew etc.
As far as black spot is concerned - well once it starts there is no stopping it really. The more roses one has the more black spot, mildew and rust...
The best way is to try and prevent it starting in the first place. This of course depends on whether someone is prepared to spray their roses with chemicals although there are some very good organic solutions on the market these days.
I always spray my roses for blackspot, rust and co as soon as the leaves are fully developed - twice within a 14 day period. I also spray for insects, again twice within 14 days...
No matter what you are using for spraying, all plants will get used to it and this applies to roses as well. I have two products with different ingredients - after spraying twice I spray again a few weeks later with another product - by this time I can see the roses that are affected anyway...once blackspot is around, and sprayed the leaves will go yellow and drop off - well, I pull them gently off to get rid of them.
One important thing is always to get the infected leaves out of the garden - never in the compost heap - either burn them or put them in the bin.
Honorine de Brabant really is a beauty, infact I have a soft spot for Bourbon rose.
RF
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it's really out done itself and I need to let a bit of light in, not sure if the lot will go yet. Fortunatley I do have 2 others in the garden that are cuttings from the orginal so all will not be lost. Seem to be having a thing about roses at the moment and have several to find homes for in the garden.
Nah I'll find space for it.
I know I'm a bit crazy Dutchy but...... they do look like carrots but I'm hoping they're Nigella. 
