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Post by Tig on May 3, 2013 19:11:33 GMT
I've signed that one too, and put in a comment about the proposal being undemocratic and an infringement of my civil liberties to grow what I like!
Vive la différence
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Post by Geranium on May 4, 2013 5:50:31 GMT
It's ridiculous! I hadn't heard about it except on here. I suspect this one might not happen, though, with outraged gardeners protesting. It's also pretty unenforceable. (P.S. I signed too...)
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Post by Rosefriend on May 4, 2013 6:01:35 GMT
I honestly can't believe that something like this can be considered serious tbh...there are surely better things to worry about ??!!
I wonder who thought it all up anyway - T & M??!!
RF
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Post by Geranium on May 4, 2013 6:06:52 GMT
Quite probably. They have a new plantfinder facility on their website - guess which company it goes to every time!  It's just a con - it doesn't find plants at all! |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 4, 2013 6:09:55 GMT
Quite probably. They have a new plantfinder facility on their website - guess which company it goes to every time! It's just a con - it doesn't find plants at all! Hahahah - hadn't noticed that Geranium - I am fed up with them anyway - they refuse to send to Germany, other than seeds although they used to send bulbs, so I am looking for places here with a good sortiment !! Wish they would stop sending me all the mails though - great offers and I can't take part... RF |
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Post by Tig on May 4, 2013 9:50:16 GMT
I got an email after signing on that link Rosefriend .... it's all in German  I reckon it needs more publicity, not many days left now before they make a decision. Some of the debate reckons all the major seed companies lobbied for it, including those that manufacture GM crops, which is a disgrace as it is promoting monopolies rather than free trade!! (guess who is still quite worked up about this proposal? :  |
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Post by Ladygardener on May 4, 2013 9:54:02 GMT
I got one of those German ones too Rosefriend . I do hope it does'nt go through, I'd have thought all the gardening associations and magazines would have carried it 'tho Tig but they have'nt. |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 4, 2013 11:18:05 GMT
I got an email after signing on that link Rosefriend .... it's all in German I reckon it needs more publicity, not many days left now before they make a decision. Some of the debate reckons all the major seed companies lobbied for it, including those that manufacture GM crops, which is a disgrace as it is promoting monopolies rather than free trade!! (guess who is still quite worked up about this proposal? : I got one of those German ones too Rosefriend . I do hope it does'nt go through, I'd have thought all the gardening associations and magazines would have carried it 'tho Tig but they have'nt. I wonder if we could put it on Support Ladygardener and Tig... It's already on Facebook - what about Twitter GWD is a member !! Anywhere else?? RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on May 4, 2013 12:21:11 GMT
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Post by Ladygardener on May 4, 2013 12:22:00 GMT
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Post by Rosefriend on May 4, 2013 12:40:14 GMT
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Post by bobbiek on May 5, 2013 3:23:29 GMT
I have often sent seeds to the USA bobbiek but I always try and make sure that there isn't any rattling !! I refuse to be told that I can't share seeds - how did we all gets such wonderful gardens and how did plants manage to travel all around the world... As Tig says "this is totally needless legislation and European bureaucracy" !! I have never demonstrated in my life but I will sign anything to stop stupidity like this!! It's always the little man that has to suffer...makes me sooo mad!! I was often asked in he UK what was in a parcel - as I said to @ladygardener I reckon the postie was a nosy old biddy that would have just loved to have opened every parcel and looked for herself. In the days of the little green label where you had to write the contents down, I put what was in - mind you I didn't always tell the truth!! Here in Germany they don't ask - having said that, I was asked the last time and I just said it was a present... RF ROFL. I always tell the truth, just not the WHOLE truth. |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 5, 2013 5:15:48 GMT
I have often sent seeds to the USA bobbiek but I always try and make sure that there isn't any rattling !! I refuse to be told that I can't share seeds - how did we all gets such wonderful gardens and how did plants manage to travel all around the world... As Tig says "this is totally needless legislation and European bureaucracy" !! I have never demonstrated in my life but I will sign anything to stop stupidity like this!! It's always the little man that has to suffer...makes me sooo mad!! I was often asked in he UK what was in a parcel - as I said to @ladygardener I reckon the postie was a nosy old biddy that would have just loved to have opened every parcel and looked for herself. In the days of the little green label where you had to write the contents down, I put what was in - mind you I didn't always tell the truth!! Here in Germany they don't ask - having said that, I was asked the last time and I just said it was a present... RF ROFL. I always tell the truth, just not the WHOLE truth. Well that made me laugh out loud - what a good start to the day bobbiek !! RF |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 7, 2013 5:13:59 GMT
Well the meeting was yesterday in Brussels and things aren't as bad as they could be but basically all seed now has to be registered.
The “Plant Reproductive Material Law” will regulate all plants. It contains immediate restrictions on reproduction of vegetables and woodland trees, while creating powers to restrict all other plants of any other species at a later date.
Under the new law, it will immediately be illegal to grow, reproduce or trade any vegetable seed or tree that has not been tested, approved and accepted by a new “EU Plant Variety Agency”.
Moreover, an annual fee must also be paid to the Agency if that particular variety is to be used by anyone.
Following a huge outcry from consumer groups, small-scale farmers, and genebanks, last-minute alterations have been made, allowing home gardeners (but not farmers) to at least give seed to each other for free without breaking the law.
But the rest of the law is still hugely damaging to the seed supply and will make it much harder for people to get hold of the seeds they want to grow at home.
So this is basically it:
Home gardeners are now permitted to save and swap unapproved seed without breaking the law.
Individuals & small organisations can grow and supply/sell unapproved vegetable seed - as long as they have less than 10 employees.
Seedbanks can grow unapproved seed without breaking the law.
There could be easier (in an unspecified way) rules for large producers of seeds suitable for organic agriculture etc,in some (unspecified) future legislation - maybe.
At the end of the day it will mean that only the big companies win - again!!!! However at least thanks to the efforts of a lot of people (including us) the law has been softened..
RF
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Post by Ladygardener on May 7, 2013 11:56:13 GMT
Well at least we can share our seeds without breaking any laws.  |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 7, 2013 13:03:14 GMT
Well at least we can share our seeds without breaking any laws. True Ladygardener but it is a pain in the nether regions for the firms that do not fall into the categories - small and under 10 employees...the big firms will have no problems and once again rule the roost!! RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on May 7, 2013 14:48:54 GMT
Under the new law, it will immediately be illegal to grow, reproduce or trade any vegetable seed or tree that has not been tested, approved and accepted by a new “EU Plant Variety Agency”. This could well put a stop to people trying to hybridise plants surely. I'm sure getting tested and approved will cost a fair bit of money.
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Post by Rosefriend on May 7, 2013 15:57:15 GMT
Under the new law, it will immediately be illegal to grow, reproduce or trade any vegetable seed or tree that has not been tested, approved and accepted by a new “EU Plant Variety Agency”. This could well put a stop to people trying to hybridise plants surely. I'm sure getting tested and approved will cost a fair bit of money. I'm sure it will cost a lot Ladygardener...I am also sure that is what this is all about !! RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on May 7, 2013 17:16:22 GMT
Is that it then, the decision is made and that's that.  |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 7, 2013 17:24:28 GMT
Well as far as I can make out unless you can find something else in the UK google sites - it was also in the newspaper this morning here...said the same - all the petitions have helped a lot and the small businesses have been saved a bit but basically the Big Boys are still trying to take over the Seed World!!!
Plus of course we can swop legally still - something I suppose!!
RF
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Post by Tig on May 7, 2013 17:54:23 GMT
It is nice to know we won't be sharing anything illegally. I do think it is too controlling though, and will no doubt provide further ammunition for the anti-europe brigade here as another reason why we should withdraw from membership.
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Post by Rosefriend on May 11, 2013 5:10:40 GMT
I have just had an email from the Arche Noah in Austria saying that the decision will not be accepted and a they are going to approach the European Parliament with the suggested that all seed types be free to use for everyone and that old varieties be kept without any ruling whatsoever...
RF
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Post by Ladygardener on May 11, 2013 5:59:14 GMT
They're not giving up then Rosefriend . Did you have a good bank holiday? |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 11, 2013 6:03:23 GMT
They're not giving up then Rosefriend . Did you have a good bank holiday? No they are not giving up Ladygardener and there is a PS saying that they will send the exact wording of the Petition as soon as it is ready to be presented. Yes we had a lovely BH - we were at the neighbour and the new owners came later on as well and we all have a great time - looking at the empty bottles andhow we felt yesterday, it was a tad tooo good!!! RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on May 11, 2013 6:08:07 GMT
Sounds like a good day Rosefriend . I'm sure the petition will do the rounds like the last one. |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 18, 2013 12:17:39 GMT
Just a little follow on, remember I sent Rosefriend plants back in springtime and the PO lady was not happy about taking them but because she could'nt find anything right then ( I gues the little PO I use don't get many parcels to Germany ) she accepted them but of course she had already asked what was in the parcel and wrote Plants on the box. Well today I was sending off some packs of seeds and when it came to weighing the one for Germany, I was again asked what was in the packet, she accepted it but said that they had gotten an email from head office saying they should not have accepted the parcel with the plants I sent earlier. I said I'd also checked online and it was indeed ok to send plants, she was having none of it and said they would not accept any parcel or package that had plants in it being sent to anywhere outside the UK. Does anyone know any more about this? What is the new list of restrictions coming into force in July I wonder. MamIDdau have you heard anything about this? Was the lady right saying I should'nt have been allowed to send the plants to Germany? |
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Post by Tig on Jun 18, 2013 19:11:26 GMT
I've had a google Ladygardener and there is very little advice that relates to individuals, most of what I've found seems to be more for major plant exporters. This is what the RHS has to say though ... apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?pid=435However, looking through the Royal Mail site, specifically looking for UK to Germany, I did find restrictions/prohibitions stated on plants, but when I tried to check with the Deutsche post the information I got was in German www.royalmail.com/germany |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 19, 2013 4:57:02 GMT
Thanks Tig Having read through these links then it does seem to be saying there are restrictions. These are from the link provided by @tigrida. This is the Guide to sending items to Germany from the UK Restrictions* These are items that have specific conditions on entry. For clarification please refer to the sources listed above. Live animals; animal products. Plants, parts of plants, plant health products. Vegetable products - edible vegetables and certain roots and tubers, edible fruit and nuts; peel of citrus fruit or melons. Prohibitions Live or dead plants conveyed via EMS - Earth from non-European countries and containing parts of plants or humus, except for peat. DDT and products to which DDT has been added. From other sites I've looked at it seems that nurseries etc... have to have a plant health certificate before they can send plants. |
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Post by MamIDdau on Jun 19, 2013 15:20:08 GMT
Sorry, I was only a postie so wouldn't have dealt with any EU deliveries etc. However, you could ask on the RoyalMailChat forum as there are PO staff on there who might know, or ask RM via Twitter ( @royalmail ) and they're prompt at responding |
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Post by MamIDdau on Jun 19, 2013 15:21:09 GMT
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It's just a con - it doesn't find plants at all! 
