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Post by Tig on Apr 27, 2013 18:12:34 GMT
I find this very worrying, and a bit scary - please do your bit, vote, email EU Commissioners if you can find time - otherwise the days of growing and sharing what we like could be numbered  Quote EU is preparing legislation that will make it illegal to grow crops that are not on a list of approved seeds? A list that currently 60% dominated by big corporations like Monsanto, AstraZenecar and others? The pros list are basically only hybrids - which means that you can not take next year's seed from his crop. Furthermore, it will not only be forbidden to sell other seeds than those already mentioned, but also to grow. "File sharing" in the area of seeds will become a criminal act. This means that people be even less able to influence what you eat, when you can not even decide what to grow. It also means that the varieties that are historically interesting will disappear, even varieties that can withstand our climate. This means that poor people who live off what they grow is referred to in the seedtrades discretion in terms of pricing, which can be costly where there are few players. www.avaaz.org/en/petition/We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU/?tTLFjbbopen-seeds.org/bad-seed-law/ |
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Post by Auricula on Apr 27, 2013 18:19:58 GMT
Hmmm...........  |
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Post by Barbara on Apr 27, 2013 18:23:36 GMT
I've signed it, but if they want to stop us sharing they'll find a way.
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Post by Auricula on Apr 27, 2013 18:25:00 GMT
How??? They don't know what we post  |
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Post by Tig on Apr 27, 2013 18:34:29 GMT
The fact that it suggests this proposed legislation will 'criminalise' ordinary people who just want to use their own saved seeds is bad enough. It could impact significantly on heritage seeds which are shared with ordinary people so that their existence is guaranteed in years to come if they are needed for re-introduction. What right do they have to keep interfering with what we can grow/share/etc?  |
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 27, 2013 18:40:09 GMT
i have posted the German petition on FB and have signed. Arche Noah in Austria are really fed up as they only sell really old vegetable varieties...
What a bloody cheek - I am not going to be told which tom varieties I can or can't grow!!!!!
RF
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 27, 2013 18:59:42 GMT
Oh this is fantastic - I have been looking at my favourite tomato growing hobby gardener websites here in Germany to see what kind of reactions there are...
This one is fantastic and the way that no doubt things will go...somehow !!
Very roughly translated she says:-
A powerful lobby in the EU is trying to change the seed approval process so that economically uninteresting varieties and those that do not meet the "norm" should be made unavailable. Therefore our older and heirloom varieties will not allowed to be sold anymore.
I wish to point out that my tomato (veg) seeds, in the future, will only be sold as collectors items or ornamental plants as they were bred with so much effort. However I must point out that these items may not be eaten under any circumstances which is very sad - our dogs, however, love to eat tomatoes and we will therefore carry on growing them!!
RF
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Post by Ladygardener on Apr 28, 2013 7:05:52 GMT
I've signed it Tig and I think it's shocking, don't they have anything better to do with their time.  Having said that, sure how would they know what we have in an envelope.  |
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 28, 2013 9:03:32 GMT
I've signed it Tig and I think it's shocking, don't they have anything better to do with their time. Having said that, sure how would they know what we have in an envelope. So the next time anyone posts anything and the postie asks what is in it - NOT SEEDS/PLANTS - just make sure that they don't rattle or feel soggy!!!!! I shall add to the seeds thread that (if this nonsense comes into being) that we are not growing seeds for our own culinary needs!! As you say Ladygardener - haven't they got better things to do with their time !! RF |
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Post by Auricula on Apr 28, 2013 9:17:15 GMT
No one's ever asked me what is in an envelope or packet. If they did I'd say...bath crystals  |
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Post by Tig on Apr 28, 2013 14:24:29 GMT
They always ask me when I'm posting parcels off to friends at the PO, perhaps because there is often mud on the packaging  This is totally needless legislation - the human race has managed for thousands of years by sharing seeds. European bureaucracy, people lining the pockets of the major seed companies, denying the basic rights of choice of the little people - perhaps one day the only flowers we'll be allowed to grow will be yellow ones  |
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Post by Auricula on Apr 28, 2013 14:31:54 GMT
Really - I didn't know they were allowed to ask. I use 3 post offices locally and have never been asked.....and I send some weird and wonderful things to the Grandgirls I like yellow flowers.... they're some of my favourites |
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Post by Ladygardener on Apr 28, 2013 16:17:41 GMT
I was asked just last week what was in a parcel I was posting.
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Post by Auricula on Apr 28, 2013 18:04:32 GMT
Why?? They're obviously very trusting down here |
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Post by bobbiek on Apr 29, 2013 2:05:53 GMT
We aren't "supposed" to propagate licensed seeds, but this law sounds like something out of a nightmare!
Is there a reason behind it? It doesn't seem to make sense!
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Post by Ladygardener on Apr 29, 2013 5:33:11 GMT
I don't know why Auricula she started looking up some paperwork to see if plants were allowed to be sent to Germany. In the end she could'nt find anything and hopefully posted it on after I left but she did write on it that it was plants.  |
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 29, 2013 5:35:28 GMT
I have often sent seeds to the USA bobbiek but I always try and make sure that there isn't any rattling !! I refuse to be told that I can't share seeds - how did we all gets such wonderful gardens and how did plants manage to travel all around the world... As Tig says "this is totally needless legislation and European bureaucracy" !! I have never demonstrated in my life but I will sign anything to stop stupidity like this!! It's always the little man that has to suffer...makes me sooo mad!! I was often asked in he UK what was in a parcel - as I said to @ladygardener I reckon the postie was a nosy old biddy that would have just loved to have opened every parcel and looked for herself. In the days of the little green label where you had to write the contents down, I put what was in - mind you I didn't always tell the truth!! Here in Germany they don't ask - having said that, I was asked the last time and I just said it was a present... RF |
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 29, 2013 5:38:49 GMT
I don't know why Auricula she started looking up some paperwork to see if plants were allowed to be sent to Germany. In the end she could'nt find anything and hopefully posted it on after I left but she did write on it that it was plants. I remember totp saying that you could send plants and bulbs are all Europe...I think there was something about earth years ago?? RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on Apr 29, 2013 6:50:22 GMT
I googled to see what the legislation says and there are for the most part no restrictions on sending plants from one member of the EU to the other.
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 29, 2013 6:57:35 GMT
I googled to see what the legislation says and there are for the most part no restrictions on sending plants from one member of the EU to the other. Yet - the meeting is on the 6th May @ladygardener - I do hope they don't start clamping down even more !! RF |
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Post by Jilly on Apr 29, 2013 12:58:03 GMT
Just signed the petition. I must say I never get asked what's in my parcels. Sometimes I tell the lovely Indian lady in my post office what's in it when we're chatting, but if someone asked I'd tell them to mind their own business or just lie. Seeing as they can't manage to stop criminals sending all sorts through the post I can't help thinking they'd look pretty stupid trying to prosecute middle aged ladies from trading in illicit tomatoes  |
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 29, 2013 13:43:27 GMT
Just signed the petition. I must say I never get asked what's in my parcels. Sometimes I tell the lovely Indian lady in my post office what's in it when we're chatting, but if someone asked I'd tell them to mind their own business or just lie. Seeing as they can't manage to stop criminals sending all sorts through the post I can't help thinking they'd look pretty stupid trying to prosecute middle aged ladies from trading in illicit tomatoes Erm anyone in particular Jilly?? I cracked out when I read that - can you imagine it - The Tomato Police !!!! |
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Post by Jilly on Apr 29, 2013 13:51:24 GMT
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Post by Ladygardener on Apr 29, 2013 14:23:53 GMT
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Post by Rosefriend on May 3, 2013 5:14:40 GMT
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Post by Ladygardener on May 3, 2013 6:19:49 GMT
Just added my name Rosefriend anything we can do to help. |
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Post by Jasmine on May 3, 2013 18:13:41 GMT
Just caught up with this. Our PO ladies ask what's in parcels although I remember someone saying that they shouldn't ask. Maybe it's a left over from the green custom label days We will have to send covert seeds! We could be like Special Branch (no pun intended)! |
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Post by Barbara on May 3, 2013 18:17:09 GMT
We'll be the SSSS, secret, seed senders society. |
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Post by Ladygardener on May 3, 2013 18:22:55 GMT
We'll fine a way I'm sure.
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Post by Rosefriend on May 3, 2013 19:09:03 GMT
We'll be the SSSS, secret, seed senders society. That's it - the GWDSSSS ....GardenWorldDiscussionsSecretSeedSenderSociety Right - now we need a shorter version!! Rf |
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Having said that, sure how would they know what we have in an envelope. 
