Plant ID wanted

[Dutchy]

Could some one tell me what this climber is?
I have had it for 12 years now and it does real well, self seeds freely and dies back down in winter.
It comes up in spring and by June not only has it got tiny brown flowers but also seedpods.
It grows to about three to four meters.
The leaves are big and shiny dark green.
The seedpods are very similar to Oxypetalum but I simply do not know what it is.




In this pic I placed the flowers in the pod so you can see the still white seeds are as big as the flowers. The seeds when ripe are black, the pod goes brown and opens up allowing the seeds that have huge white fluff to carry them away on the wind.



Any clue any one?

[Shrubrose]

Forgive my appalling ignorance Dutchy but I dont have a clue. Perhaps some obscure clematis?

Shrub.

[Dutchy]

Hardly ignorance Shrubrose.
So far no one managed to come up with a name.
I got it from a friend and she got it from another friend.
The plant has been moving from garden to garden and so far no one has found out what it is.
Other than not for sale in any garden center hence a wild plant but where from?
It's first garden entry is somewhere in the dark recesses of memory lapse land.
It used to be not so hardy but with the milder winters it is doing better and better so probably a Mediterranean background.
Or any other milder climate.
The seeds are absolutely beautiful so they at some time tempted some one in taking it home.
I was hoping some of our horticultural specialists might know what it is.

[beanie]

just trawled a wild flower site and no luck so far. :'(my first thought was similar to shrub rose. the leaves look like old mans beard and it looks to have long seed pods. wrong coloured flowers though

[Dutchy]

Done some more research and found this

fm1.fieldmuseum.org/vrrc/?language=esp&PHPSESSID=22a3144b72b4ccda62827d29e626ffc1&page=results&family=asclepiadaceae&intPerPage=25&order=country&rpno=6&PHPSESSID=22a3144b72b4ccda62827d29e626ffc1

Quite a long one. I found pics of dried plants 18 pages no less in Spanish (2 years study of the language was not enough to understand the extras)

So My plant originates either in Brazil, Guatemala or around there.
Cynanchum blandum could be it but so could Philibertia campanulata or Polystemma guatemalense or Oxypetalum erianthum. Not the Oxypetalum banksii as this has very different flowers.

Is there any one who knows how I can get the answer to what my mystery climber is?

It is not Old mans beard, I agree Beany it has totally wrong flowers.
It is not a clem or related to it as clems have fluffy seed balls instead of one huge pod with seeds in. Even though the seeds do have their own parachute when they fall from the dried pod.
Also clem leaves are not hart shaped and always placed in two opposites at the stem.
Oh I forgot the stem does not split, it is just one long winding stem from the ground up.

[Rosefriend]

I was at the Nursery today Dutchy and asked him after taking a diskette with your pics on it - he could help either but said that it was obviously to do with an Urwald - jungle. He also felt that normally it would grow a lot bigger indicating as you say the need for warmth and possibly sun the higher it climbs.

I have just found this in Google - could one of these flowers be it? No 2 especially.

images.google.de/images?q=Asclepiadaceae&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

RF

UPDATE

Numbers 1 and 6 look very similar Dutchy.

[Deleted]

Hi Dutchy,

You could email the RHS or Kew the photo's.

sara

[Chuckles]

What a lovely little flower it has Dutchy. Not a clue what it could be but Sara's suggestion is a good idea

[Dutchy]

Hi Rosefriend,
I by now have come to the conclusion too that it is likely to be a tropical but tough one. It is most likely part of the Asclepiadacae family. But which one.
How absolutely good of you to take the pic to your local gardencenter. I hope it gave you an opportunity to get a good browse in the plant section as well as ask about my mysterious climber.

Sara can I just mail them ?
What adres should I use then?

Chuckles yes it is a pretty flower but it is so minute you hardly see it on the plant.
It is the size of 1/4 thumb nail ( when you have ladylike nails that is not big masculine ones )

[Deleted]

Hi Dutchy,

I do not know what address to use for RHS or Kew for ID purpose's but I have found this

www.succulent-plant.com/ias.html

They have a contact address

Sara

[Dutchy]

Yep thank you, just checked it their e-mail is [e-mail]
So I will send them an e-mail.
I hope they can help me to find which one I have.

[Dutchy]

Nice people at the Asclepiad society.
I e-mailed them the photos and they tried to get the answer for me.
They are in different minds about the plant.
These plants are so prolific as a group. It is an Asclepiad that they all agree on.
So far I have promised to send them the seeds when ripe so they too can sow the plant and maybe once they have the living specimen they can really determinate it.
So still no name but with some patience, at least a year, I might get an answer.

[Barbara]

may-be they will name it after you.fame at last ;D