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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 16, 2006 7:46:44 GMT
I need some help please, - I want 3 or 6 Clematis - 3 if my OH has his way and 6 if I get my way..........
Next week we are going to a Clematis Show and I would like to know roughly what I could use.
Terrace area - all of them. One will be planted with a rose - I haven't thought about that really - Historical Rose perhaps - Portland - remontant in any case.
Groups will have to be 2 or 3 if I only have 3 - if I get 6 then I could go for an alpine as well, perhaps.
Can you all give me some suggestions please.
Rosefriend
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Post by Plocket on Sept 16, 2006 17:52:11 GMT
Hia Rosefriend - I'm not ignoring you but am a bit busy this weekend. I'll have a think and come back to you on Monday if that's ok. Px
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 16, 2006 18:04:32 GMT
Oh Plocket - thanks I could do with a bit of help. Do know a lot of the older Clems but do not know much about the newer ones.
RF
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Post by oldmoleskins on Sept 17, 2006 18:05:18 GMT
Only have three, all planted this year, and know little about them... but "Ville de Lyon"has been the star of the show this first year for me, vigorous, largish deep magenta flower, still showing nicely now and full of bud.
It's gamely left its trellis and started on the drainpipe, an aspiration I hugely endorse.
OM
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 17, 2006 19:50:00 GMT
Ville de Lyon is also one of my favourites - had it for years and then my OH wanted it somewhere else - yes well ....
It is however a clematis that is not easy to find here and hasn't been for years.
It always flowered twice - it is a Group 2 anyway isn't it?
Rosefriend
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Post by Plocket on Sept 17, 2006 20:20:03 GMT
Ok Rosefriend - I've been thinking about your clems. Firstly though I need to know how much sun the clems will get, how big they can grow, and what colours you like. What colour is the rose too.
If you get 6 are you going to plant them in pairs to grow together?
I'm so excited for you - I want to go to the Clematis Show with you!!!
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 17, 2006 20:30:34 GMT
Hi Plocket
OK- full sun I am afraid - roots I will have to pile with stones or another plant or something for shade.
I am going to have to stay by 2 to 3 meters. One could be a 4 perhaps.
2 x 2 together perhaps and then maybe one to go with the rose. I haven't chosen a rose yet as I will get bare roots and it is a bit early. Any suggestions welcome.
Colours really do not mind although red roses burn too quickly in the full sun that they would have.
Rosefriend
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Post by Plocket on Sept 18, 2006 7:24:19 GMT
Morning! Right for general starters I would recommend the viticellas (group 3s) - they cope with any aspect and are relatively disease free. Personally I've got Etoile Violette and Madame Julia Correvon and they always perform well. Personally I like group 2s because you get a fab show of flowers in early summer, and then you can tidy them and get another flush in the autumn - almost like two for the price of one. As there are such a range of colours available you could get two of quite different colours or forms and have them together for a spectacular display. And as you are prepared to get a few clematis may I suggest that you perhaps get group 2s for one spot and group 3s for another spot - that way you have two different flowering periods and therefore more interest. Some nice group 2 pairings would be (totally my opinion of course!): Beauty of Worcester with James Mason; Sunset and Silver Moon; Crystal Fountain with Dr Ruppel Group 3s: Blue Angel with Etoile Violette; Integrifolia Alba with Petit Faucon; and if you want something with more contrast you could try something like Etoile Violette with a Heracleifolia which will mean you have flowers low down and higher up. I don't know diddly squat about roses I'm afraid but I can imagine a glorious white or yellow one with a dark purple clematis - phwar!!! You'd probably be best getting a group 3 to grow through a rose so you can cut the clem back in spring and give the rose a chance to get some light. As you have the space and sun you could also consider an evergreen clematis and the cirrhosas are lovely. I hope I've given you some ideas. If you need any more you could take a peek at my website!!!  www.plocket.co.uk/Oh and don't forget that if you are planting them in a hot sunny spot they'll want a lot of organic stuff in the soil when you plant them to help retain moisture. Px |
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 18, 2006 7:34:10 GMT
Plocket - thanks a lot - Clem show is this afternoon - I have printed your reply out and am taking it with me.....
Will let you know what happens
Rosefriend
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Post by Plocket on Sept 18, 2006 10:52:33 GMT
Hurrah! Have fun - I'm green with envy! |
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 18, 2006 14:55:13 GMT
Ok - here I am again. I ended up with 5 clematis (compromise betwen 4 and 6) and a rose and 3 perennials. 2 of the clems are called differently here in Germany, so I have photos of them all.  which I have bought just to put in a tub - Clem integrifolia Juuli - any ideas Plocket?? and on the other end of the Pergola - a bit darker - I have chosen (because of the flowers around mainly) the Clematis Piilu - which again is not the English name.  OK (above) this is Clem integrifolia Juuli which is called something different in England - any ideas Plocket?  This (above) is Clem. Texensis "Duchess of Albany" which I am going to put together with the one below  which is Clem. Texensis "Gravity Beauty" Now then for the middle section of this Pergola - I have got a rose and another clematis. Here goes  This rose is also called by another name is England. Here it is Jasmina by the German breeder - Kordes. People who know roses will see the simularity to the Eden Rose and also Nahema by Delbard of France. However the blooms are small... I am going to put the following Clematis with it - Clematis Arabella .  All these Clems are small flowering - although they do look a bit bigger from the photos. Sorry about the photo being a bit blurred - put the wrong macro ring on. I also got the Echinacae Hybrids - Sunrise (yellow) and "sunset" (red) which are lovely. Also in the pack is Ceratostigma willmottiana "Forest Clue". The other week I bought 2 Brunera macrophylia "Jack Frost" which I hope to copmbing some how. So lovely people - what do you all think - do I do the right thing? Rosefriend |
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Post by Plocket on Sept 18, 2006 15:07:52 GMT
Oh WOW!!!!!!! I don't know where to start. Of course you did the right thing - YOU BOUGHT CLEMS!!!!
I've searched for Juuli and that's the only name I can find for it.
Piilu is also known as Little Duckling (coz that's what Piilu means apparently!), but is sold as Piilu in this country too - it's a double in it's first flowering and is really pretty.
Gravetye Beauty and Duchess of Albany are scrummy - funnily enough I've only recently got a Texensis but I got Princess Diana.
And Arabella is yummy too - I can imagine it with that rose - phwar!!!
I think you've made a lovely selection and can't wait to hear about them next year when they are established and flowering. I bet you feel pleased with yourself Rosefriend!
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Post by oldmoleskins on Sept 18, 2006 19:53:15 GMT
Fabulous selection Rosefriend, and beautiful pics. I'm sure you'll all be very happy...
OM
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Post by Alicat on Sept 20, 2006 9:48:16 GMT
 Hi Rosefriend. They are beautiful. ;D can't wait to see some photo's of them next year in-situ. Alicat. Ps. Sorry for the late reply 'OH' stole the modem yesterday for work.  something about being able to work from home. If 'IT' can set it up.
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 21, 2006 7:12:54 GMT
Oh No - damn and damn again,
Yesterday the Texensis Gravity Beauty wasn't looking very happy and as I hadn't watered it, I thought that was the reason- well it wasn't. It is broken off under the earth - not good me thinks?
I have rung the GC and had a chat and he says he will give me another one. Shall I keep the other one and see if it grows again - sneaky eh?
Knowing me I will take it back....
Rosefriend
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Post by Alicat on Sept 21, 2006 9:06:58 GMT
Morning rosefriend. Did the man say to:- take back the original one. And he would swap it?.( i.e. Exchange ) Or did he say I will give you another one. If he said I will exchange it for a new one, then you need to take it back. But if he was unclear. then I don't see why You can't keep it. It really does depend on how he said it. (Also do you want the challenge of trying to grow it yourself.?) Hope this helps. goodluck. Alicat. Ps. You could always phone him back and ask him if he wants it back.
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Post by Plocket on Sept 21, 2006 9:14:40 GMT
Morning Rosefriend! Personally I'd take the old one back - he might not want it but it shows that you are honest. |
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 21, 2006 15:29:46 GMT
I feel that I must take it back. I have been going there for years and we are on first name terms and he gives me the odd plants now and again. He knows that I know how to hold plants and I wouldn't want him to think that I was cheating on him in some way. The family are all very nice - it is family business.
He actually did a lot of his training in England and France.
Rosefriend
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 22, 2006 8:36:36 GMT
I have just been to the GC and got a new Clem Tex ( he was great about it) and Oh Plocket - yes yes yes - I saw Princess Diana - what a beautiful colour - well OH walked away shaking his head - and I bought it. Cost me 6.50 Euro (4.36 Pounds according to the exchange rate today)
I really have fallen in love with the Clem Texensis Group - gorgeous small flowers. I have got one to twine in my Rhamnusfrangula "aspenfolia".
I think I will google the group at some point and see what others lovely plants there are available.
Rosefriend
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Post by Alicat on Sept 23, 2006 8:35:12 GMT
Glad you got it sorted rosefriend.. I'm curious... did your friend let you keep the other one.? My OH, would do the same....It sounds a good price though. Have a good weekend. Alicat.
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 23, 2006 10:16:06 GMT
No Alicat - I am basically too honest... Texensis are what he refers to as "perennial Clematis", - that is to say that they die down each year and grow again - just like a perennial.
That also means that it will grow back for him - he kept it but lets be fair - he did give me another plant and I have got the Princess Diana as well.
Have a great weekend yourself
Rosefriend
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Post by Plocket on Sept 24, 2006 19:46:21 GMT
YOu did the right thing Rosefriend. Enjoy your new plants!!
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Post by magrich on Sept 27, 2006 14:48:09 GMT
I had a super clematis called ? Madame de Boiselette? which I got from a local supermarket. It was fab! flowers the size of dinner plates and pure white. It succumbed to the dreaded clematis wilt and now Ican''t find it anywhere. Can anyone help??
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Post by obelixx on Sept 27, 2006 14:56:02 GMT
Here's a website that might help identify your clem www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/ You can also try the RHS Plant Finder to see if anyone stocks it and there are Clematis Societies in the UK and USA who may be able to help. However, if it was from a supermarket, I wouldn't be surprised if it was wrongly labelled so would advise searching for similar white flowered varieties. Large flowered clems are prone to wilt. Next time, cut the stems to the base the minute you spot it and then feed and water the rootstock. If it was planted deep enough originally it should sprout new stems. Always plant new clems, large or small flowered, about 4" deeper than they were in the pot as this helps them produce new stems. |
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Post by obelixx on Sept 27, 2006 18:55:10 GMT
Sheer coincidence. I've just been reading my copy of the local horticultural society's magazine and there's an article on clems - including one called Marie Boissolot which is described as having enormous white flowers. Maybe that's yours.
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Post by magrich on Sept 29, 2006 14:05:45 GMT
: Sheer coincidence. I've just been reading my copy of the local horticultural society's magazine and there's an article on clems - including one called Marie Boissolot which is described as having enormous white flowers. Maybe that's yours. that is the one!!! realised i had put a 'de' where there wasn't one. Thanks a lot for your help. |
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Post by magrich on Sept 29, 2006 14:07:01 GMT
Obelixx.............did it say where you can get it???
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Post by obelixx on Sept 29, 2006 14:37:49 GMT
No and it's a the RHS of Gembloux Belgium so no use asking round here for you either. Try the real RHS website which has a Plant Finder facility. That will tell you if there are growers in the UK. Failing that try the Clematis Society.
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something about being able to work from home. If 'IT' can set it up. 
