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Post by Plocket on Nov 6, 2006 17:54:33 GMT
I am hoping to be in the market for a new rose when my porch is finally built. I'd be most grateful for suggestions as to one that would be happy to grow in a container, in a sunny spot (south facing with some late afternoon shade in the summer, more in the winter), to go along side my container of clematis: Sunset and Silver Moon (dark cerise pink and pale mauve). As much as I adore yellow roses I think they would clash a bit, so white or red would be nice, rather than pink.
Also when's a good time to buy roses? And how big should the container be?
David Austin is close by if you recommend one of his!! ;D
Thanks very much! Px
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Post by Rosefriend on Nov 6, 2006 18:21:13 GMT
Hi Plocket
A thread was started by Bagpuss about Container Roses and I have C/P it here as well as a reply from OM as well.
Well I do know what the piece was that you read but Yes, it is possible to grow just about any Rose in a container - basically the bigger the better. I wouldn’t even consider anything under 40cm diameter. There must be enough room for the roots to develop fully and have very good drainage – I would also try and find a pot that is a bit wider at the bottom so that it doesn’t fall over so easily.
What kind of container is basically immaterial although if using plastic then I would suggest you watch water intake. A lot of people do mulch after planting which I am afraid that I never do with Roses – in my experience no matter how good the Mulch there is too much danger of fungus and then rust problems. You could plant very small periennials or Sphagnum Moss for example.
I would plant the Rose in a commercially good potting soil using a slow- releasing fertilizer, or a good Rose compost. I am afraid that someone else will have to help you on that. It will also need regular feeding, as all container grown plants, as the nutrients will be used up quicker. Use a fertilier that is high on Nitrogen and lower on Phosphate and Potassium – again I am sure that there are good Rose fertilizers in the UK.
I would assume that you could keep a Rose in a large container for about three years before the roots have to be cut back- I wouldn’t cut back to more than two-thirds to a half and cut on a slant which encourages new growth.
As far as growing a rambler in a container – in theory of course, a long as the container is big enough and you can fasten the Rose to something. I would imagine it would be a little difficult to handle though.
Try though - it might be fun.
To go back to the question about which Roses - well I cannot help there as modern Roses tend to have other names here - however I would choose a bush rose - or even an Historical Rose- my favourites. If you would like some suggestions - then there I can help.
Rosefriend
Here is the posting that OM made on potting soils.......
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I would plant the Rose in a commercially good potting soil using a slow- releasing fertilizer, or a good Rose compost. I am afraid that someone else will have to help you on that. Rosefriend
Well, in this instance I'd suggest John Innes No.3. It's a 'soil and grit' compost available everywhere and never bettered for long-term potting of shrubby plants. Substantial, well draining stuff. It will have fertilizer in it to last the best part of a season, and Osmacote or any other slow-release fertilizer lightly worked into to surface will take care of seasons to come. And if you're worried about the peat-free compost 'debate' - Innes No.3 has some peat, but not much - so don't feel too guilty...
I find a lot of the alternatives just don't 'wet' well and stuff doesn't do as well either - but I'm an unreformed traditionalist. At one time I bought compost by the 10 ton load, and it was always loam/peat based, with a lot of coarse grit. I'm probably to blame for Somerset flooding, or whatever it does...
I'd be interested to hear what a more informed (and probably younger) gardener has to say about composts...
OM.
Hope that helps a little Plocket
Rosefriend
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Post by Plocket on Nov 6, 2006 18:50:33 GMT
It sure helps with the planting - thank you very much Rosefriend. I like the idea of an historical rose and if it's any help with the look of the flowers when it comes to suggestions I prefer very simple roses (single, double or tea-rose) - none of these blousey blooms you get now-days (rosette, quartered rosette or pom-pom).
I guess I might have to go and visit David Austin - what a shame!!! ;D
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Post by fozzie on Nov 6, 2006 19:37:39 GMT
hi plocket,
knowing a little about your "flower"taste as a first shot look at Jacqueline du Pre (3 ft high) , Penelope (4 ft high) or Schneezwerg (4ft high). These are all white
Foz
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Post by fozzie on Nov 6, 2006 20:28:37 GMT
hi plocket,
knowing a little about your "flower"taste as a first shot look at Jacqueline du Pre (3 ft high) , Penelope (4 ft high) or Schneezwerg (4ft high). These are all white
Foz
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Post by fozzie on Nov 6, 2006 20:44:05 GMT
Hi again plocket, still not got the hang of this posting thingy!
Still i've had me tea and browsed some notes.
Here is list two mainly reds, not quite your "flower "profile but maybe worth a look
Dusky Maiden the rose not yourself
Rosa gallica officinalis ..even though your in the wrong county
James Mason the rose not Clem
I've left some wild cards till last
R. pimpinellifolia (3 ft)
R.foetida its yellow but may be too big for your portch
R.foetida bicolour its red despite name
pudding ready Greek Yog and Elder blossom honey mmmm
Foz
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Post by JennyWrenn on Nov 7, 2006 6:17:23 GMT
I grew two Rhapsody in Blue roses in a container and it didnt have enough drainage so the poor roses died  A lesson learned  These are beautiful roses with an amazing perfume and have paper tissue petals - look very pretty and think would complement any clem Jenny x P/s It is 6.15am and I am the only one on the Board - Milly No Mates |
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Post by Plocket on Nov 7, 2006 9:08:48 GMT
Thank you very much for your suggestions Fozzie - I'm going to look them all up in a mo! Hope you enjoyed your yoghurt - that's a combination I treat myself to occasionally, with a little museli on top!!!  Your poor roses Jenny - they seem to be a very popular rose at the moment. Would you consider growing them again? |
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Post by Plocket on Nov 7, 2006 9:19:01 GMT
Back again!!!
Ooooh what beautiful roses Fozzie - and you've really stuck to the type of flower you know I like! If you don't mind me reporting my thoughts: Rosa Callica officinalis was too pink for me, but a lovely shaped flower. Penelope and Schneezwerg (love the name!!!) were pretty but my faves were Jacqueline du Pre, Dusky Maiden and James Mason. I couldn't find pictures on the David Austin site of Foetida bicolour but it sounds very attractive, and I like the pimpinellifolias anyway - I looked at them after our last chat!
I think I'm leaning towards James Mason because he was bonkers about flowers - roses and clematis in particular apparently. And the scent of this one is apparently wonderful.
My next dilema is when to buy roses - any thoughts?
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Post by Rosefriend on Nov 7, 2006 16:02:55 GMT
Hi Plocket
Well Autumn is always the time for Roses - bare rooted (cheaper) and also the roots start growing early in Spring before growth up top starts - there is no competition.
The only roses that should not be planted in Autumn are bare rooted standard roses.
Rosefriend
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Post by Plocket on Nov 7, 2006 17:10:05 GMT
Oooooh I might have to go shopping soon!!! ;D Thanks Rosefriend!
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Post by JennyWrenn on Nov 7, 2006 17:49:47 GMT
Yes Plocket I managed to "save" one and put in the garden but it didnt do so well And I bought another one this year as I just love this rose - think it was Rose of the Year 2004  but that didnt do too well either Shall try again next year - I think they look best when two planted together and look wonderful next to my Arthur Bell |
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Post by Plocket on Nov 7, 2006 17:51:29 GMT
Good luck next year Jenny. I'll report when I've been shopping! ;D
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Post by Susie Snowdrop on Nov 7, 2006 18:28:17 GMT
Ooooh Plocket, you just have to have 'Shakespeare'....a stunning David Austin beauty!
S x
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Post by Plocket on Nov 7, 2006 19:05:16 GMT
Oooh Shakespeare is a very lush rose Susie but a bit too frilly for me - I prefer the really simple blooms. I'll let you know how I get on in due course - I'm going to show James Mason to OH tonight, online, to see what he thinks. Fingers crossed.....
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Post by fozzie on Nov 8, 2006 19:31:56 GMT
Plocket,
Sorry for delay, had to be a taxi for limping daughter arriving back from NY.She is staying for a day or two so my time is not my own but you know all about that. Only dif is mines 26!
Anyway re buying roses I always use Peter Beales, no real reason just habit I think. I keep meaning to go to D A as I'm not far away these days All thoses suggestions will be on the P B web site . Yes they are on the site I also checked D A but no pics, but a reason for PB they are approx 10% cheaper.
Foz
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Post by Plocket on Nov 9, 2006 9:33:12 GMT
The only reason for me thinking of David Austin is that the nursery is only about half an hour away from me so easy to visit. Enjoy your daughter's visit Fozzie and I'll let you know how I get on with my rose hunting - I probably won't be shopping until next week now though!
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Post by Plocket on Nov 9, 2006 10:52:26 GMT
Ooooh update! OH is taking me to David Austin Roses tomorrow - he has a day off and it's our Wedding Anniversary on Saturday!!!! ;D
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Post by fozzie on Nov 11, 2006 13:26:47 GMT
Just come in out of the wind for a cuppa.... HAPPY ANNIVERSARY.... have a wonderful day.
Fozzie (name in full on "special" days and Sundays)
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Post by Plocket on Nov 11, 2006 13:44:58 GMT
Thank you Fozzie! Plans have changed and we are going to David Austin tomorrow (Sunday) but OH really likes the James Mason rose so that'll probably be what we get, if they have them in stock!
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Post by Rosefriend on Nov 11, 2006 14:03:07 GMT
Hi Plocket -
James Mason is a fantastic Rose as Fozzie quite rightly says but unless something has changed that I don't know about (very possible) then I think that you ought to know that James Mason is a Gallica Rose and they only flower once - very well and they look a dream but it is only once, - around mid-June.
If you want a repeat flowering rose then perhaps you can look at a couple of others whilst you are there.
Rosefriend
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Post by fozzie on Nov 11, 2006 14:16:06 GMT
It may be worth asking advise re container whilst your there. Don't let them say you cant grow it in a container. I have several shrub Rose in containers, they just need extra TLC. Which I am sure you are more than capable of giving . J M has a potential to get 4 foot high so container depth is possibly more important (i would say min 2 foot) than width. Restricted root growth will restrict top gtowth as I am sure you know. A ploy you could use to "contain" it in its porch position.
Sounds like its getting expensive !!!
I would think both container and bare root plants stock.
Fozzie
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Post by Plocket on Nov 11, 2006 14:20:29 GMT
Hia Rosefriend! Thanks for pointing that out to me but I really don't mind if it only flowers the once. It's the look of James Mason that I really like, and the fact that it has a good scent. However, OH has rashly suggest that we might get two roses so can you recommend something that I could grow in a container perhaps next to James Mason - something that would flower more? Many thanks!
Hia Fozzie! I've noted what you've said about the height of the container - thank you! We are going to stop in at a garden centre on the way to David Austin's tomorrow so I'll see what they have on offer there.
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Post by Plocket on Nov 11, 2006 14:37:23 GMT
Me again! We've found a few more roses that we like the look of and wonder if you are able to comment on them: Rose of Picardy, Morning Mist and Mrs Oakley Fisher.
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Post by Rosefriend on Nov 11, 2006 15:21:06 GMT
Hi Plocket
Personally I would go for Morning Mist unless you want Rosehips from Rose of Picardy. Morning Mist would probably suit better.
Mrs Oakley Fisher is a TH and both Fozzie and I and a load of other Rose lovers are not TH fans but after all it is a personal choice so whatever will go best with the arrangements you are making.
Rosefriend
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Post by fozzie on Nov 11, 2006 15:52:46 GMT
Plocket
If it was me I'd go for Mrs Fisher I kow, I know its a HT but its not one of these all look the same modern HT. I did not offer this earlier because you were not keen on White Wings the other HT I have, when I showed it to you. I would offer Ellen Willmott, but you may not like that either, its one I might indulge in.
Rosefriend
my heart is with Species Roses and Old Fashion Roses and some early bred HT like above. If I was forced to have a modern HT then it would be National Trust for its superb colour
Fozzie
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Post by Plocket on Nov 11, 2006 16:11:32 GMT
Wonderful! Thank you very much! Another question though - should I buy special rose compost or will my new rose be happy with my home-made compost?
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Post by JennyWrenn on Nov 11, 2006 16:23:23 GMT
I have a number of Roses Plocket and this year I did not give them any "feed" and it showed Normally I feed them twice a year and it is worth it No excuses  Although my Arthur Bell seems to be OK  |
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Post by fozzie on Nov 11, 2006 17:06:44 GMT
Plockett
If it is going in a container I would use a mixture of 50/50 gen purpose compost or your home made and a loam based compost or even topsoil, This mixture will help reduce nutrient loss by leaching if G P cpompost alone and as Jenny above the feeding is vital in containers twice early Spring and mid Summer
Be mindful of the weight of potted up container. I learnt the hard way and plant up large-medium containers in the final position or as close as possible to save on the Radox and White Horse Linament(!!)
And your second choice was ??
Fozzie
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Post by Plocket on Nov 11, 2006 17:52:34 GMT
Second choice is probably Mrs Oakley Fisher - I love Dusky Maiden but the colour is very similar to James Mason. That yellowy colour of Mrs OF is divine, so I'm hoping to persuade OH that two roses would be nice!!! And then I'll have to get two pots..... I'll let you know how we get on! Thank you so much for your help Fozzie and Rosefriend - I really do appreciate it. |
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