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Post by Mr Grinch on Feb 1, 2007 9:30:18 GMT
Hi all, I have an area which doesn't get much if any sun in my new border. Does any one know of any hardy Perennials with a good showing of flowers that might suit this spot. The ground is a heavy clay, Ive dug in loads of compost and the structure is much better but is still prone to a bit of wet in winter ! Any plants fit these conditions ?? Remember the flowers !! Mr G
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2007 10:11:53 GMT
Hi Mr. G. I have an Astilbe in my shady/damp corner, and a brunnera called 'Jack Frost' which has gorgeous little blue flowers above variegated foliage. I think there is a dark red cranesbill which likes shady areas, and I have just ordered a bleeding heart for that area as well. Ooh, also have a bugbane which does well. Hope this helps!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2007 11:12:09 GMT
Hi Mr. G - there are loads to choose from ;D Have a look at this link to Crocus website ;D You can refine the search to match your conditions BTW
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2007 11:35:43 GMT
What about an Aruncus, or Goat's Beard? They love it wet and are happy in shade. They are like giant Astilbes and get to about 6 foot but they need to be cut down to ground level in winter so although there'll be loads of plumage in Summer there'll be nothing there for the winter. Like Rita says, there are SO many to choose from......
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Post by Plocket on Feb 1, 2007 12:58:54 GMT
If it's acidic clay you could probably get away with small evergreen azaleas, hellebores, astilbes, peris, CLEMATIS!!! ;D
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Post by Mr Grinch on Feb 1, 2007 14:56:52 GMT
Rita,
Ive gone onto the Crocus site, how would you define 'Deep shade' and 'Partial Shade' ??
Mr G
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Post by andy on Feb 1, 2007 15:29:19 GMT
Epimediums Heuchera Physallis Aucuba Cornus Dryopteris Vinca Fatsia
This is what i have growing in deep shade at work and all seem to thive. Soil is loamy/chalk and very well drained.
Plus as mentioned...any of the ericaceous plants providing it's not dry soil in the summer.
HTH
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Post by blackrose on Feb 1, 2007 15:37:44 GMT
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Post by Mr Grinch on Feb 1, 2007 16:15:43 GMT
Not really keen on heathers or Conifers so these are out ! I had a look on the Crocus site and refined my search to include dense shade only. It only through up 6 plants !! aaarrrhhhhh Mr G
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2007 16:28:43 GMT
Rita, Ive gone onto the Crocus site, how would you define 'Deep shade' and 'Partial Shade' ?? Mr G To me deep shade would be the equivalent to the middle of thick woodland and Partial shade would be, in the shade most of the day, so receiving just a little sun. Then there is the type of shade, ....... mmm how to explain..... a border which is north facing, doesn't get any direct sunlight or have any overhanging trees - does that make sense? I hope so. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2007 16:35:07 GMT
Mr G Have you also thought about.... Anemone japonica Aquelegia vulgaris Astrantia Cyclamen Dicentra Iris Foetidissima Pulmonaria All of which should flower in shade - well, they all flower in the shadey area of my garden!! Like you I have a heavy soil which is prone to wet in winter (not helped by the fact that the neighbours have concrete instead of garden ) GH
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Post by Mr Grinch on Feb 1, 2007 17:48:14 GMT
Hi Rita,
My situation is north facing fence with a overhanging tree ? Is this partial shade ? The tree has not got a thick canopy and is deciduous ??
Mr G
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Post by andy on Feb 1, 2007 17:55:48 GMT
Lots of bluebells too for spring (i know it's too late now) ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2007 18:51:25 GMT
Lily of the Valley is nice for damp & shady too.
FA x
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Post by Plocket on Feb 1, 2007 18:57:50 GMT
But Lily of the Valley can get out of control!
Does the area get any sun at all Mr Grinch? If it gets some sun then you can class the area as partially shady.
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Post by Mr Grinch on Feb 1, 2007 20:36:52 GMT
Hi Plocket, As ive just created the border im not wholly sure if it will get sun ? My hunch is that it wont get any, but the overhanging branches of the tree are not that thick so a little bit might get through, if you look at my Photobucket pictures (summer) on the BBC sight, the area is where the shed it (not the wendy house).
Mr G
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2007 14:32:09 GMT
Could you post some photo's here Mr. Grinch? I have a northish facing border which gets no sun in the winter but a couple of hours or so in the summer - I would say that it is partially shaded.
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Post by Dutchy on Feb 2, 2007 14:42:11 GMT
But Lily of the Valley can get out of control! Does the area get any sun at all Mr Grinch? If it gets some sun then you can class the area as partially shady. Not on clay they don't. Hate permanent wet feet the lilly of the valleys. Having a hard time in my garden they are. Saw this one somewhere, it should be able to cope but only some varieties. Physochlaina orientalis. images.google.co.uk/images?svnum=10&hl=en&q=physochlaina+orientalis&btnG=Search
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Post by Dr Bill on Feb 3, 2007 23:17:06 GMT
If it's acidic clay you could probably get away with small evergreen azaleas, hellebores, astilbes, peris, CLEMATIS!!! ;D Hi Plocket. Which clems would you suggest for a dark shady border with sandy soil?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2007 23:26:22 GMT
If it's acidic clay you could probably get away with small evergreen azaleas, hellebores, astilbes, peris, CLEMATIS!!! ;D Hi Plocket. Which clems would you suggest for a dark shady border with sandy soil? Dr Billl - I'm obviously not Plocket If it gets zero sun and is dark then forget any clems. If the position has light rather than sun I'd consider something unforgiving and tolerant of general shade like Guernsey Cream
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Post by Chuckles on Feb 6, 2007 12:04:28 GMT
I have a shady area in my gdn that was supposed to be rockery/Alpine area ( many moons ago) it's a raised L shaped area built up of rocks and is edged on the long one side by a fence covered in Variegated Ivy and then has a trellis on the other shorter side with a Rambling Rector rose and Jasmine. It's facing North East and gets very little sun. Nothing ever grew in it despite me trying. I now have pots that I slot in between the rocks during the summer months of Hosta's, Ferns, Fuchsias for a bit if colour odd bits of Companula and Aguaja grow on the edges. I do have to over winter the posts of Hostas and ferns else where but made the best of a bad job I think ;D Hope this helps give you some ideas not much in the way of flower colour though
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Post by Juliet on Feb 7, 2007 21:44:17 GMT
In my north-east facing border which gets virtually no sun & is on wet clay I have Dicentra spectabilis alba, hardy Geraniums, bluebells, and Leucojum aestivum in front of clems, winter jasmine, & Chaenomeles speciosa nivalis.
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