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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2007 15:18:41 GMT
... hope one of you 'rosies' can help me. I planted a climbing rose 'Maigold' last spring. It gets lots of sun, and has been manured and generally cossetted, but didn't flower last year - although put on a fair bit of growth. Now I've notice that some of the longest shoots just have a few leaves at the top, and generally don't look very happy. I'd read that one should not prune climbing roses except for tidying/removing dead shoots etc. Should I just leave it alone? - it really does not look happy. As you can probably tell, I know nothing about roses  ... cheers ... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2007 15:52:50 GMT
The moniker is really because I love them, not because I have any practical knowledge My oldest rose bush is only 2. Oh, the shame. That said, I have done an awful lot of reading. What's your soil like? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2007 16:01:55 GMT
Hi Rosemother, thanks for responding ... you have to know more than I do ;D! The soil is lime, moisture retentive but not waterlogged. Last autumn I put half a bucket of well-rotted manure around the base, worked it in gently and left the worms to do their thing - which they seem to have. Another no-name rose (Lidl purchase, wild rose type) in the same bed, around 1.5 metres away, is thriving  . ... cheers ... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2007 16:05:00 GMT
Hmm...not sure what is wrong with it then. Anyone else have any ideas?  |
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Post by Rosefriend on Feb 21, 2007 16:15:39 GMT
Hi CC
Well you have got me thinking now -
OK right at this minute I wouldn't expect Roses to have many leaves - infact they should have lost last years leaves and possibly will only have a few leaves at the top as you have said.
I think that is normal for this time of the year. I personally wouldn't do anything at the moment.
Pruning yes that is correct - do not prune at all at this stage unless there is a little dead wood which for such a young plant I would doubt. Try and keep the main stem more horizontal and flowers will appear on the side shoots of the main stem. Normally one cuts these side shoots back to about 2/3 flower buds.
In the March in the GWD Garden Fozzie has written a lot about pruning Roses at this time of the year and I will be posting that on the 1st. March and we will be posting a lot of threads about Historical and Modern Roses in the coming weeks.
I honestly wouldn't worry about it - had we had a hard winter I wouldn't expect to see any leaves on it at all. It is still very early in the year and I would expect new growth to start coming around the middle to the end March depending on the weather.
Rosefriend
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Post by fozzie on Feb 21, 2007 18:00:55 GMT
It will only flower once a year narmally May through June but you might get a small repeat during August if you remove the dead flowers as they go over. I would expect you to see some sign of growth just about now It is sometimes classified as a HT (  ) not strickly true, treat it as a single flowering climber, most Roses are deciduous and will drop their leaves over winter. A RM said no major pruning, only if you need to keep it within an alloted space, try to train the stems/shoots as horizonal as possible. Be vary careful Maigold is very thorny, use strong gardening gloves! you should not have too much troulbe as its only been growing for a year. Foz |
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Post by Susie Snowdrop on Feb 21, 2007 18:26:01 GMT
OK right at this minute I wouldn't expect Roses to have many leaves Would you please have a word with my carpet roses, they are both in full leaf and have been all winter  . I'm worried that they won't do very well this summer because of this.........what do you think RF  S x |
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Post by Rosefriend on Feb 21, 2007 18:34:50 GMT
None of my roses have leaves at all except for Ghislaine de Féligonde which has retained all it's leaves and they have shrilled up because of the last frost but are still attached. It does look a mess.
Normally they wouldn't have leaves at all with our climate.
Actually Susie the roses will be fine - the only thing is, that until the old leaves fall off the plant looks a bit odd. Often the new growth comes and still some of the old ones stay on - no need to worry though.
My neighbour called around the other day and asked the same question as her standard rose is still full of leaves and she has been very carefully trying to pluck them off.!!!!!!!
RF
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Post by Susie Snowdrop on Feb 21, 2007 18:37:36 GMT
Thanks RF, I shan't worry then but just treat as normal  S x |
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Post by Rosefriend on Feb 21, 2007 19:02:50 GMT
Thanks RF, I shan't worry then but just treat as normal S x Tell me what is normal about this winter......... it is horrible!!! RF |
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Post by Susie Snowdrop on Feb 21, 2007 19:05:27 GMT
I think the problem is is that nobody knows what a 'normal' winter is anymore  S x |
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Post by Rosefriend on Feb 21, 2007 19:14:56 GMT
I think that you are quite right - I was in the garden today and there were slugs wandering around quite happily, the birds are also quite happily enjoying each others company and as you quite rightly say that roses have still got there leaves for the most part.
We are used to harsh temperatures here and even so my OH says that years ago they used to go ice skating on all the rivers around here in Feb and March. Snow even in May and June - well I don't need that but things are definitely warming up and I am afraid we are to blame......
Only good thing about it all, is that we can get into the garden a little earlier this year...
RF
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2007 16:09:12 GMT
Thanks to all of you - I guess it's a matter of waiting to see what the summer brings. What had me worried was that most of the other roses in the neighbourhood seem to have retained their leaves over winter ... I'm obviously becoming a plant hypochondriac ... cheers ...
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Post by JennyWrenn on Feb 23, 2007 7:37:33 GMT
I have a few rose bushes and one in particular has flowered alllllll year and is still in flower now - not sure what it is -  I have a wonderful Arthur Bell and I did think he was a large shrub rose but late on in the year he seemed to want to start climbing so I may move him against one of my walls What is the best time to move roses? Anyone know jenny |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2007 7:45:53 GMT
Hi Jenny, I have a climbing Arthur too, Hope fully should have a good show this year now that I have learned to train it. I think you could move it now but I am sure the rose buffs will advise. Sara  |
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Post by JennyWrenn on Feb 23, 2007 8:22:11 GMT
ThankX Sara - am sure my label on Arthur didnt say he was a climber - are all AB's climbers Here he is last year, at the very end of Autumn and still in flower  jenny x |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2007 9:39:20 GMT
Hi Jenny,
There are two ‘Arthur Bell’ One is a floribunda and the other one is a climbing variety, a sport from the first. A sport is a natural genetical mutation which makes that one character of a bush rose to change. Sometimes a shoot will produce a flower with a different colour or a different shape. Or a once bloomimg rose change to a continuous form. Also a bush can send up a long cane and this becomes a climbing sport of the variety. Usually the climbers which are sports have ‘climbing’ in their name. So there is a rose ‘Arthur Bell’ (Fl) and one ‘Arthur Bell Climbing’
Jenny, if you are sure you did not buy a climber it may be possible that your bush just sported.
Now that you know this what do you think? Have all the canes started to climb?
As for transplating the best time for roses is when they are dormant, in autumn or early spring. Now I don’t know how much dormant are your roses as it seems that they are still happy and flowering. When transplanting the root ball should be as big as posible in order not to disturb the roots and the canes need to be cut back at least at half, removing any leaves to limit the perspiration and give the busg the chance to establish itself by growing new roots
Rosefan
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Post by JennyWrenn on Feb 23, 2007 16:52:13 GMT
Oh thank you Rosefan - I looked at the label and it says bush rose so he must have been "sporting" the shoot was very thick and cane like so I dont think he will topple over - so glad hate moving plants in case they die on me Do you have any Rhapsody in Blue - I have had a few that died on me but at the time they are stunners - the fragrance is wonderful - I have wet clay soil  jenny |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2007 16:58:19 GMT
Hi, Can anyone confirm if this is a repeat flowering as I only seem to get one lot of flowers, Am I doing something wrong? I deadhead on a regular basis Thanks Sara |
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Post by Rosefriend on Feb 24, 2007 12:14:08 GMT
Hi, Can anyone confirm if this is a repeat flowering as I only seem to get one lot of flowers, Am I doing something wrong? I deadhead on a regular basis Thanks Sara Both Arthur Bell - floribunda and the climber are to the best of my knowledge both repeat flowering roses. One reason that the flowering could have gone a little haywire was possibly the very late start to the rose season last year and then the very hot period we had. Jennywrenn - Rosefan is absolutely right - move the rose now and there shouldn't be any problems. This year is difficult because roses don't seem to be dormant as usual. I do have a Rhapsody in Blue - I love the rose - the only complaint that I have with it is that in hot weather the blooms burn very quickly. If I could I would plant it where it doesn't get the midday sun - however all my garden gets the midday sun. RF |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2007 13:18:12 GMT
Hi RF, I have trained the stems as horizontal as possible along the trellis and the stems are now showing vertical shoots. Do I just leave them now is there more I should be doing? I dead head once the flowers have started to go over but then I get no more? Thanks Sara |
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Post by Rosefriend on Feb 24, 2007 13:26:45 GMT
I do have a habit of clicking the wrong button - sorry.
No you have done everything right - there is nothing left to do. Roses have to be fertilized around the March time so remember that.
I am not sure why your Rose only flowers once - apart from dead heading there isn't anything else to do.
I can only say that perhaps it isn't Arthur Bell - labels got changed etc., or it has a problem - well I had a hermerocallis once that only flowered every two years.
If it will not flower more than once then I wouldn't cut the blooms off - leave them so that you at least get rosehips.
However this year I would dead head it as normal and see what happens.
Perhaps Fozzie or Rosefan can help on this problem as well?
RF
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2007 17:09:36 GMT
Jenny, I told you about how to move a rose but I would not move it either. Some viguorous roses can grow quite high late in the season so this can be another reason from the long shoot you had on the bush. If it were a climber, it would have flowers only on the top of the stems as the climbers have the flowers on side shoots, which grow on the main stems that have to be trained as horizontally as possible.
I saw ‘Rhapsody in Blue’ only in photos we don’t have here too much choice on buying roses. Many of the new roses are still missing here. It looks like a lovely rose I would love to have it. I have a few bushes of ‘Blue Moon’ but I suppose ‘Rhapsody in Blue’ is much fragrant.
Have you tried to improve your soil by adding compost or rotted manure? Your ‘Arthur Bell’ and the other rose which I cant guess what is it, maybe when will have more flowers, look fine so I wander what was the problem with your ‘Rhapsody in Blue’.
Sara, you say that you hope to have a good show as you have learned to train your climber. May I ask how long ago did you tie the stems in a horizontal or a bended position. If it was only last year, now that your rose is trained properly it should be ok and behave as normal. If the stems of a climber grow vertically they will have few flowers, mainly on top. Flexing and bending the stems make the buds to give flowering shoots
I can not think about anything else you did not do right. Feed in spring and again after the first flush.
Rosefan x
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Post by JennyWrenn on Feb 24, 2007 21:21:20 GMT
I have clay soil RF and I do feed twice a year with a special rose fertilizer i grew one R in B in a container one year and it thrived but then got waterlogged The petals on this rose remind me of tissue paper - very fragile - I shall persist and buy another two this year and maybe add compost to the soil too And I am leaving Arthur where he is as def not a climber Thank you everyone for such wonderful advice jenny x |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2007 15:54:46 GMT
All you Rosies, thanks .... I did as you suggested and bent all the Maigold branches horizontally - now there are loads of new shoots! ... cheers ...
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Post by Rosefriend on Mar 16, 2007 16:00:40 GMT
Marvellous CC - how's about some pics along the way if you can. That would be great.
RF
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2007 12:01:47 GMT
Hi RF ... will be taking a load of pics next week to have a 'spring' record ... which will be rather dismal because I haven't mastered the 'all season interest' thing yet .... but my newly-happy Mailgold will be among them! Cheers ....
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) not strickly true, treat it as a single flowering climber, most Roses are deciduous and will drop their leaves over winter. A RM said no major pruning, only if you need to keep it within an alloted space, try to train the stems/shoots as horizonal as possible. Be vary careful Maigold is very thorny, use strong gardening gloves! you should not have too much troulbe as its only been growing for a year.
