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Post by fozzie on Jul 8, 2008 14:08:27 GMT
You can tell its raining and I am bored, just been through all the smileys list! Why is it we have two names for the same thing namely England Flag and Wales Flag ? They are of course the same!  If we had seperate ones for Scotland and Ireland in addition to England then I would understand as they make up the Union Flag |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 8, 2008 14:17:22 GMT
oooo Fozzie - you are in a mischievous mood aren't you.......just you wait until Spru sees this then.....hehe!!
RF
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Post by fozzie on Jul 8, 2008 14:20:52 GMT
He'll rise above it.
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Post by blodau on Jul 8, 2008 14:29:55 GMT
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 8, 2008 14:37:54 GMT
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Post by Barbara on Jul 8, 2008 15:08:11 GMT
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Post by Tig on Jul 8, 2008 15:08:29 GMT
I was thinking more ...  ;D   Good luck Foz in the impending battle with Spru Tig |
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Post by Barbara on Jul 8, 2008 15:17:49 GMT
we only got the flag of st george because i asked for it on st georges day ;D
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Post by Plocket on Jul 8, 2008 15:24:49 GMT
Oh Fozzie you must be bored  (I haven't found an Irish flag smilie yet  ) |
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Post by fozzie on Jul 8, 2008 15:25:07 GMT
we only got the flag of st george because i asked for it on st georges day ;D Quite right too. I must ask if there's a bigger one |
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Post by fozzie on Jul 8, 2008 15:30:38 GMT
Nor me, Guiness would be good or if pushed St Patrick or ticolour
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Post by fozzie on Jul 8, 2008 16:07:04 GMT
Oh Fozzie you must be bored (I haven't found an Irish flag smilie yet ) How about  or  Or this which is where we were going really but can not find a smillie of it I wonder why?  |
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Post by Shrubrose on Jul 8, 2008 18:49:36 GMT
Couldn't let the side down, could I? Here's mine....  The green stands for catholics, the orange for protestants and the white for the hopes for peace between them. |
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Post by fozzie on Jul 8, 2008 20:03:27 GMT
Hi Shrub.
Mother was born just before the Free State. So you can imagine the stories I was told as a wee boy! One of the nicest words she had for poor old De Valera was "Traitor", even to her dying day, some 80+ years later. Not hard to see where me obduracy comes from.
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Post by Spruance on Jul 8, 2008 20:40:01 GMT
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Post by fozzie on Jul 8, 2008 21:31:51 GMT
Donner und blitzen! Sacre Bleu! Heavens Above! Nein!, Non, Good Lord No. Not that. Johnny Foreigner and Ted, God rest his soul, can keep it. I like veggies with mud on and have shapes that do not fit through measuring hoops!
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Post by Shrubrose on Jul 9, 2008 6:30:05 GMT
Hi Shrub. Mother was born just before the Free State. So you can imagine the stories I was told as a wee boy! One of the nicest words she had for poor old De Valera was "Traitor", even to her dying day, some 80+ years later. Not hard to see where me obduracy comes from. Sounds like your mother and mine have a lot in common Fozzie ;D |
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Post by nightowl on Jul 9, 2008 8:39:59 GMT
You can tell its raining and I am bored, just been through all the smileys list! Why is it we have two names for the same thing namely England Flag and Wales Flag ? They are of course the same! If we had seperate ones for Scotland and Ireland in addition to England then I would understand as they make up the Union Flag Don't understand the question Bored Fozzie  This is the England Flag  And this is the Welsh Flag  , so not the same, and anyway the proper St. David's flag is a yellow cross on a black background |
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Post by fozzie on Jul 9, 2008 18:33:41 GMT
NO.
At the risk of bring down a tirade of abuse.
There is no seperate Welsh flag. At the time the Union process Wales was already "part" of ENGLAND and as such had the same flag! So the flags used to make the Union Flag were ENGLAND, Scotland and Ireland
During the 1920' and 30s following the formation of the Free State and latterly Eire it was decided not to remove the cross of St Patrick from the Union Flag. Anyway I guess it covers Northern Ireland.
The Dragon Flag is an unofficial flag that was popularised nd adopted much later
Foz (pulling on Kevlar suit)
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Post by fozzie on Jul 9, 2008 21:15:22 GMT
Hi Shrub. Mother was born just before the Free State. So you can imagine the stories I was told as a wee boy! One of the nicest words she had for poor old De Valera was "Traitor", even to her dying day, some 80+ years later. Not hard to see where me obduracy comes from. Sounds like your mother and mine have a lot in common Fozzie ;D I have heard some really scary tales. Her exploits although fun at the time to them, because they were children, were quite dangerous. |
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Post by Tig on Jul 9, 2008 23:18:54 GMT
Good job we all move forwards not backwards eh  x Tig |
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Post by nightowl on Jul 10, 2008 8:33:32 GMT
NO. At the risk of bring down a tirade of abuse. There is no seperate Welsh flag. At the time the Union process Wales was already "part" of ENGLAND and as such had the same flag! So the flags used to make the Union Flag were ENGLAND, Scotland and Ireland During the 1920' and 30s following the formation of the Free State and latterly Eire it was decided not to remove the cross of St Patrick from the Union Flag. Anyway I guess it covers Northern Ireland. The Dragon Flag is an unofficial flag that was popularised nd adopted much later Foz (pulling on Kevlar suit) No need for the suit Foz, I stand corrected!!  Yer lives and yer learns |
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Post by blodau on Jul 10, 2008 8:52:21 GMT
Just because England refuses to recognise it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or doesn't mean a lot to some people. Wales has never been 'part' of England in spirit and never will be. Why not be happy to recognise diversity instead of denying people their heritage and culture when it does no harm to you and enriches the world. The French have been doing the same to the Bretons and the Spanish to the Basques. What is wrong with people enjoying their own culture if it does not diminish anyone else's. Wales has a rich culture of music and poetry to offer with a beautiful language. Would you prefer to see that disappear. If they choose to unite behind Y Ddraig Goch why not let them.
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Post by fozzie on Jul 10, 2008 20:19:38 GMT
Blodau.
I have not and would never deny anyone their heritage. Which is why I am first English. Although there are times when I am not allowed to express that. Whereas of course you are. I merely make a tongue in cheek technical observation regarding the Union Flag. There is one important contribution you omitted which I think is very important. viz. If it were not for the Welsh miners we would not have the NHS.
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Post by blodau on Jul 11, 2008 8:31:48 GMT
Sorry Fozzie I know you didn't mean anything by your posts. It's just a sensitive subject. As a Welsh person living in England, it's difficult to always shrug off the comments. Then if you don't you're told you don't have a sense of humour. I'm fully supportive of the English enjoying their cultural heritage too (as I said on the St George's day thread) and I married an Englishman. I look forward to the day when everyone accepts diversity in all its many and wonderful forms. After all England gave us Shakespeare and Des O'Connor for which the world is surely grateful. Blod P.S. I heartily agree with your quote btw. I've always said I don't intend to turn up at the pearly gates and have St P ask me what I've done with my life and only be able to say I had a tidy house. |
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Post by fozzie on Jul 11, 2008 17:52:19 GMT
Pax Blod.
I was of course "fishing".
As a younger man I played rugby for a team on the outskirts of West London (Sudbury) Their "A" team seemed to be the place for ex pats from the other home countries. This was the time when it was a good game if England only lost in single figures. You can imagine the comments, from your countrymen. Thanks to me "Mammy" I was never short of a word or two. I soon discovered that discussing the Union Flag had the desired affect. This applied to those from North of the border too! Albeit sometimes with an explosive result!!
Foz
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