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Post by Jasmine on Sept 6, 2013 12:27:11 GMT
Thanks again Chuckles - it should be ok growing through something then if it doesn't have to be cut right back.
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Post by Chuckles on Jan 20, 2014 17:48:05 GMT
I've cut back my Group 3 Clematis Arabella that I bought last year, I hope I've done it properly. There were fat buds at the bottom of the stems so I've cut back to there. Your'e keen Ladygardener I did a prelimary trim up of a few of my groups 3's today but will do a proper prune in about 4-6 wks depending on how the weather is. I've bumped up the Clematis info thread that has everything about different pruning groups, different types of clematis, pests and diseases, propagating from seed, layering and cuttings, feeding and growing in containers. Planted a Broughton Star that I've had in a 12" pot for almost 2 1/2 years now, really struggled to find a home for it to romp away so its gone into a large terracota pot today, not sure how it will do
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Post by Tig on Jan 20, 2014 20:11:35 GMT
I have been having some luck with getting new clems from cuttings/snappings. In the past I have tried unsuccessfully on several occasions following professional guidance to the letter.
About May time last year I moved the Blue Angel and managed to snap a piece of old wood with some good buds on it. I had a pot of compost with some seeds doing not much on the 'cold' sowings stand and I just stuck the piece down the side of the pot with about 5" below the compost level.... and left it. Much to my surprise it started growing and when I gave up on any seeds germinating I shook it out of the pot to find it had grown really healthy roots!! Potted it on and then planted it out late last year, will see how it grows this year. I decided to move Clematis Dancing Smile at the same time I planted the little Blue Angel, as it wasn't thriving and snapped the top growth off it! Shoved that down the side of a pot with some cuttings from salvia hot lips. They got put in one of the growhouses about November and today I spotted some nice green buds on the stem!
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Post by Ladygardener on Jan 21, 2014 7:05:31 GMT
Very well done Tig, you've done well indeed. Chuckles it's sitting in a very sheltered spot and the buds were big and fat and I'd been reading in a couple of the magazines to go ahead and do it so I did. I think it'll be ok. Should I have waited a bit longer do you think? We've had no frost to speak of at all this winter and it's planted pretty deep. I just could'nt look at the dead branches and leaves any longer.
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Post by Chuckles on Jan 24, 2014 18:37:41 GMT
Well done with the cuttings Tig its always worth a try and its so satisfying if they take. You got me thinking about the bits I trimmed off Princess Diana and Hagley Hybrid the other day I now have 6 cuttings of each in pots. Its difficult to say if you should of waited Ladygardener, it sounds like you have done it properly though. If the buds do get frosted as long as its deeply planted as its a group 3 you should get some new growth from below later on. I get very tempted as there is lots of stuff budding up because its been quite mild but I have to be careful in my garden at this time of year
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Post by Ladygardener on Jan 25, 2014 6:58:26 GMT
Talking of Hagley Hybrid, I've noticed mine has a good few buds on it already too Chuckles. I'll keep my fingers crossed for Arabella.
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Post by Chuckles on Apr 5, 2014 7:56:37 GMT
My Princess Diana cuttings went to clematis heaven but the Hagley Hybrid still has green shoots on so hopefully they have taken root. Lots of growth on my clems atm in the ground and in pots and several have flower buds on, Wadas Primrose, Broughton Star and a couple of others that I can't remember the names of. Hows everyone elses doing
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 5, 2014 8:56:26 GMT
Some better than others Chuckles! Denny's Double that I bought years ago and thought had disappeared has made a come back this year! Princess Diana never gets going in my garden but has made a single solitary shoot! The montanas I bought last year to cover the wire fencing are getting going despite being in the dogs run up and down and bark and boing path! Florida Sieboldii has made it through winter - I didn't realise it needed a bit of cossetting so it was lucky the winter was wet and not freezing cold. Wesselton, which lost it's support pyracantha is trying to get going from the few shoots I managed to untangle from the collapsed heap of shrub and clematis and Crystal Fountain, as usual, is a triffid! Oh, I've lost Gypsy Queen but at this rate it may just be having a rest and will be back in a few years time!
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Post by Jilly on Apr 5, 2014 10:12:56 GMT
They do that to me too Jasmine, I never dig round where a Clem was just in case . I've lost my lovely Alpina, the main stem was broken right at ground level , I suspect catty interference & one of the Crystal fountains hasn't put up any shoots yet. All the others are doing well, in fact some of the mid summer ones have got such huge buds already I think I may have flowers soon.
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Post by Tig on Apr 5, 2014 18:32:02 GMT
One of my alpinas got snapped off at the base when the arch it was on started to collapse, no sign of any new growth emerging, but I did break up the bits off the arch & stuck them in a pot, two haven't wilted yet! Most of the other clems are romping away with lots of flower buds showing already. C. alpina Pamela Jackman (I always admired Jennywrenns) on the middle obelisk is not happy, it has some new growth but it is very sparse with no flower buds that I can see. Dr Ruppel was not happy where I put it either, should try to move it really.
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Post by Chuckles on Apr 6, 2014 15:31:46 GMT
Oh yes Crystal Fountain is one of mine thats full of flower buds and its also like a triffid this year Miss Bateman is another that has fat flower buds. Could be a good year for clems I've 2 Princess Diana, one I've had in a pot probably 6 years now, seems to like it and one which was from my inlaws which is in the ground now after 18 months or so in a pot whislt I decided where to put her. She's a Group 3 and the problem I find with them is as soon as shoots poke through the S&S get them if you don't keep and eye on them. So annoying when stems get snapped at the base and you think you've lost them, good luck with the cuttings. When its happened to me as well as trying cuttings I've dug it up and have found several stems under the ground have thier own root bits, I did it with Royalty (Group2) and have ended up with 5 plants, 2 are in big pots and look like they will flower this year and 3 that were quite small, I buried these in quite tall plastic pots and they are putting up new growth from below like a group 3 does, plants for free . I lost my lovely Lagoon when the bottom woody bits had just rotted and I snapped off Willy at the base not looking what I was doing, its easily done
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Post by Ladygardener on Apr 7, 2014 6:02:18 GMT
The 3 I dug out of the middle bed after the oblisk broke have all come through in their deep pots I planted them in and are showing growth. I don't know until they flower/if they flower which ones they are but they should be either Josephine Crystal Fountain Empress or / and Ville de Leon. I see that I've left a root of something (and I dug deep to get them all out) and it too has shot right up, a couple of stems of it so I'll still have one in the middle bed. I think I'd need to dig to Australia to get it out. My Arabella has put on tons of growth with several stems up. I've been using some green velcro that Jenny bought me to attach it to it's stakes. My Hagley Hybrid along the fence is covered in new growth now too, I have to keep it tamed otherwise it would just take over and there's no way I'd ever get it dug out as it's roots are all though the bed at this stage. I'm sorry to hear your Alpina Jilly, when I was looking though one of my notebooks to find the name of my other G3 one, I came across a note to say your Alpina was lovely and put it on my wish list. My 3 very very small plugs Sieboldii Dr Ruppel and Dutchess of Edinburg have all put on lots of growth and have started to climb. I need to repot them this week and put in some canes for them to grow up. All the tlc seems to have worked.
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 7, 2014 11:04:52 GMT
I have 3 clems all with wilt in the last two days - Express, Hagley Hybrid and something else that I can't remember...do hope that they get their act together soon!!
RF
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Post by Jasmine on Apr 7, 2014 11:41:44 GMT
My Rebeccas aren't doing too well. Both of the older ones are really struggling to get going - they both got wilt last year and had to be cut right back but the tiny weeny one I got with my Suttons order last autumn is doing well except the lower stems have been munched by slugs or snails.
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Post by Chuckles on Jun 10, 2014 12:59:55 GMT
I've had a touch of wilt this year, well I think thats what it was. I noticed a few flower heads on Princes Diana and another clem which I think is Josephine that drooped and then leaves below started to wilt, I followed the stems back and chopped them off and all seems well. I'm not sure what the clem below is as it came from my inlaws, poss Josephine ? ? This next one is from inlaws too and again I'm not sure on which it is, I had in my head Mrs Norman Thompson but I don't think it is now I've seen my own come into flower, any ideas ? ? The rose is Summer Wine
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 11, 2014 4:33:46 GMT
Could it be Empress Chuckles? I'm always mixing the names up but Jilly might know. Not sure about the bottom one but they're both putting on a lovely display. POTM1 (drop down smilies are'nt working)
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Post by Chuckles on Jun 16, 2014 7:22:54 GMT
Thanks for your suggestion LG, my thoughts were its either Empress or Josephine. From memory I knew lots of folk on here had/have had Josephine and thought maybe someone would ID it instantly. Photos on web sites don't always show the flower variations some clematis flowers actualy have, this one has two very different looking flowers. As for the other clem, it will remain unknown unless someone maybe has an idea on what it may be.
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Post by Tig on Jun 16, 2014 19:00:15 GMT
I have had no success with Josephine, tried a couple of times over the years and given up. As I remember mine it never properly opened the middle bit, so it had the inner downy bud like those on the right side of you photo Chuckles. My Empress on the other had was darker and the middle never did the 'downy' bit The second one looks like quite a few - fireworks, Dr Ruppel, Nelly Moser, and a bit like Mrs N Thompson www.taylorsclematis.co.uk/clematis-mrs-n.thompson.html
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Post by Jilly on Jun 16, 2014 19:09:42 GMT
I think I must be going mad (no change there then I hear you cry ) but I distinctly remember typing out an answer to your question Chuckles, but it doesn't seem to be here Anyway I agree with Tig the one in the picture is definitely Empress, I grow both & Josephine has a much more distinct double ball like bit in the centre & looks a lot more unnatural if you see what I mean.
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Post by Chuckles on Jun 17, 2014 14:37:19 GMT
So Ladygardener thinks it might be Empress Tig thinks it is Josephine although Jilly thinks Tig said it was Empress) Jilly think its Empress because she thinks thats what Tig thinks it is Help Don't worry ladies I'm sure I can live without knowing the name of either
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 17, 2014 16:51:00 GMT
So Ladygardener thinks it might be Empress Tig thinks it is Josephine although Jilly thinks Tig said it was Empress) Jilly think its Empress because she thinks thats what Tig thinks it is Help Don't worry ladies I'm sure I can live without knowing the name of either Don't worry Chuckles, I grew both Empress and Josephine for years without ever knowing which was which.
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Post by Jilly on Jun 19, 2014 9:09:41 GMT
Oh dear Chuckles, talk about confused you will be . Right lets try this again (with illustrations) This is my Empress growing with an unknown purple one, note the frilly centres. And this is Josephine growing with Crystal Fountain, it's a lot more double & the ball in the centre stays like that. So I think your one is Empress.
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 19, 2014 9:30:05 GMT
Working on that, my "Empress" and that is what it said on the label, is infact a "Josephine" Jilly - yes?? RF
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Post by Jilly on Jun 19, 2014 9:37:29 GMT
I would say so Rosefriend yes. I must say though, that I'm only going by the labels that were on mine when I got them..... & they were from T&M
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 19, 2014 10:22:00 GMT
I would say so Rosefriend yes. I must say though, that I'm only going by the labels that were on mine when I got them..... & they were from T&M I have just remembered that in 2007 I had a "Josephine" that unfortunately croaked it.. gardenworld.proboards.com/post/75034/thread..if you look at that the "Empress" that I have now, it is really "Josephine".. It seems that T & M finally got something right Jilly!! RF
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 20, 2014 7:33:34 GMT
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Post by Chuckles on Jun 23, 2014 10:21:18 GMT
Well as far as I can make out in all the confusion this photo shows one that is described as Empress and two that are described as Josephine. I'm giving up, at least which ever it is its a Group 2 so at least I know what to do pruning wise
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Post by Ladygardener on Aug 2, 2014 11:46:39 GMT
I received some plugs from .... you've guessed it T&M this springtime. One was Dutchess of Edinburg the other was Sieboldii. This one was ment to be Sieboldii but at first I thought they mixed up the labels and it was Dutchess of Edinburgh but now I'm not so sure. The flowers are definately lime green not cream and not as big as DOE would be as I've seen that clem and always admired it and not as small as some of the Sieboldii I've seen. Any thoughts anyone? Tig I think you have Dutchess of Edinburgh. This is an overall pic with 3 stages of flowering.
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Post by Tig on Aug 2, 2014 12:40:25 GMT
That looks about right for Duchess of Edinburgh Ladygardener - Is it in full sun or part shade?
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Post by Ladygardener on Aug 2, 2014 13:22:43 GMT
That looks about right for Duchess of Edinburgh Ladygardener - Is it in full sun or part shade? Oh thanks Tig, it's in part shade and still in a pot.
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