CLEMATIS - QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS

[Rosefriend]

Well I have got an ID as well Plocket if you don't mind - mind you after the gorgeous Clem from Chuckles I am a little ashamed to show mine.

Is this Hagley Hybrid?



RF

[paul r82]

Hi,

I received three Clematis sieboldii, that were on offer through Thomson and Morgan, i ordered them months ago and forgot all about them until they arrived today.

I know they are a group 2 clematis so pruning is sorted, but have no idea what the flowers look like or how tall, any info. would be much appreciated.

[Plocket]

greety said:

1st things first ;D

I've been very very naughty today and bought another Clematis Red Robin. Can't find any pics or info about it on the internet so have taken photo of label. Was drawn to it for it's flower, it can be grown in a container and tolerates exposed cold conditions.





Now for a spot of Clem ID'ing, this is one of mine that I have no label for. The flowers have been open a few days now.

Ooooh you naughty Chuckles It's a group 2 clematis and likes sun or semi-shade. I can see why you were tempted ;D

As for the other clem, it does look like Hagley Hybrid but it's early! The mild sunny spring has thrown a lot of plants out

[Plocket]

rosefriend said:

Well I have got an ID as well Plocket if you don't mind - mind you after the gorgeous Clem from Chuckles I am a little ashamed to show mine.

Is this Hagley Hybrid?



RF

Yes it could be Hagley Hybrid RF - does it get quite a bit of sun normally?

[Plocket]

paul24 said:

Hi,

I received three Clematis sieboldii, that were on offer through Thomson and Morgan, i ordered them months ago and forgot all about them until they arrived today.

I know they are a group 2 clematis so pruning is sorted, but have no idea what the flowers look like or how tall, any info. would be much appreciated.

I beg to differ on the pruning Paul because I treat my Sieboldii as Group 3s - I cut them back pretty hard in spring. They are fairly tender so need a sheltered spot, lots of sunshine though, and possibly wrapping up over winter. They could grow up to 3metres if they are happy so give them room and you'll have a fantastic display.

Here's a picture of mine I took this morning:


It's nice to hear that yours has arrived from T&M - I had one on offer which was due in June, but it might arrive soon if you've got yours.

[Rosefriend]

Yes Plocket it does get a lot of sun - over 50deg on a very hot day -it is on the South wall, but I had to cut it down to about 30cm this Spring because of change that we made to the garden.

Well not a change exactly - a storm caved the fencing in and decapitated it, so I decided to so it properly.

It certainly looks a lot different from Chuckles' Clem though - or is it the light perhaps?!

Thanks

RF

[paul r82]

thanks for that, it was the info from thompson and morgan that said group 2. I'll take your advice and treat it as group 3.

[Chuckles]

Thanks for the info on Hagley P I'm well pleased with Red Robin

RF my Hagley is in not in full sun so maybe thats why mine is a deeper pink than yours.

Paul24 and P my 3 Clematis sieboldii plugs arrived today too ;D all planted up now in pots. Will be keeping an eye on them and watching them grow. Will be a while before they are mature enough to flower Someone else ordered the Clematis sieboldii, think it was CPC.

[Deleted]

Plocket,

Just to let you know that "Duchess" has got some new growth coming from ground level, so now I have got two of them ;D

Sara

[Chuckles]

Just been catching up on your Clematis Thread P, it really is informative and certainly gives you a dose of Clematitis. Very bad affliction and apparently there is no cure. Thank you P

The cuttings section has got me going. Have done odd cuttings in the past but not really followed any rules so to speak so I'll be looking for candidates. Must check that new Red Robin I bought the other day for possible cutting material ;D

[Plocket]

Aw thanks Chuckles! And do give the cuttings a go - I find I have more successes than losses so it's always worth a go, and you'll find some types take better than others as well. But cuttings of anything is fun! Don't go cutting up your Red Robin before it's established though!!! ;D

[jean]

RF My Hagley gets the sun all morning and shade for the afternoon, the flowers start off dark pink and gently fade out as the flower ages, its definitely done a lot better than my other clems over the years.

Plocket a question, my Arctic Queen is looking a bit green, and my Miss Bateman was the same. They are both growing in partial shade (sun all morning) which I thought would be fine, do you think they need moving to get more sun? My Dr Rupple close by seems unaffected

[Plocket]

Hia JLottie! Well Arctic Queen and Miss Bateman tend to have a green tinge to them anyway, unless in full sun which can bleach them. It's a characteristic of the flowers so I don't think it's anything to worry about. Could you post photos of them though?

[Chuckles]

Morning P, just uploaded a photo of Bell of Woking. If you remember I was bitterly dissapointed after I bought it thinking it was White, the pic on the label was white Well I'm well chuffed with her she is beautiful and has 6 flowers in total.



Another bit of Clem news. I had a lot of unlabelled Clems some cutting some plants that had lost labels and was going to ask for help with ID's, well so far 2 have turned out to be Royalty. I now have 4 of them, one will be my original and the others cuttings. Well chuffed again ;D

[Plocket]

They are both gorgeous Chuckles, and I'm so pleased you are happy with Belle of Woking - yes it does start off with a pinky tinge, but it goes beautifully white, and yours looks lovely and greenish! I'm glad you are happy with them ;D

[lottielady]

Plocket - I think my Kermesina (sp?) is mutating! Red stripes and blobs and 6 petals instead of 4 Do you think it might turn red eventually?



LLx

[Plocket]

Oooo-er! Did you have it last year and did it flower normally?

[lottielady]

It was just 4 petals and purple last year Plocket! There are only a few flowers like the photo though.

LLx

[Plocket]

How odd that some of the flowers are different! I really don't know what could have caused the different colours I'm afraid Lottie Lady It's fairly normal for a clematis to produce flowers with different numbers of petals though - nothing to worry about there They are probably developed from clematis that originally had six petals and are reverting back occasionally - and that's all I can think of with the colour too. I'm not sure what Kermisina was bred from but I did find this article, which though it doesn't help you, might be interesting: www.clematis.hull.ac.uk/iclsframe.cfm?page=page59

[lottielady]

Thanks for that Plocket - it was sold as red but has always had purple flowers - it is still pretty whatever colour it decides to be!

LLx

[Plocket]

Kermesina should be "wine red" so I wonder whether you've got something different? It might be worth querying it with the British Clematis Society - they are very helpful with unusual queries

www.britishclematis.org.uk/

[JennyWrenn]

Here is my Hagley Hybrid June 07 - well over 10 feet tall climbing thru the rambler

[jean]

B****r and another B****r, my lovely Hagley Hybrid has the wilt and it look like the whole plant is affected. Do I really have to cut it all down as there are still lots of buds and blooms.

[Plocket]

Cut below the affected areas, but firstly are you absolutely sure it's wilt? It could be over- or under- watering, damage by wind, slugs and snails, animals even. Wilt is pretty unusual and I'd urge you to do a bit more research before you cut your clematis back. If you do feel cutting back is necessary, cut just below the affected area and burn it if you are convinced it's wilt - don't put the pruned bits into your compost bin. Please PLEASE check carefully for damaged stems first though.

[jean]

Heres what is happening to it Plocket

Bottom half



top half



Its been fed, watered and sheltered from the wind

[Plocket]

Ok well first of all I'm 100% sure it's not wilt! Bear in mind that your HH has been growing rapidly since spring, and developing buds so that it can flower beautifully for you. Dying back at the bottom of the plant is quite normal as it uses up energy, especially when flowering. If it helps to reassure you, ALL my Group 3 clems have yellowing and brown leaves lower down the stems. There are no wilted leaves on yours, and no blackened stems, plus it still has lovely flowers higher up. I think you can stop worrying, and enjoy your plant! Px

[JennyWrenn]

Oh what a lovely HH - mine only produces a few flowers as it has to compete with the rambler and get some light

Hope it gets better soon

[jean]

plocket said:

Ok well first of all I'm 100% sure it's not wilt! Bear in mind that your HH has been growing rapidly since spring, and developing buds so that it can flower beautifully for you. Dying back at the bottom of the plant is quite normal as it uses up energy, especially when flowering. If it helps to reassure you, ALL my Group 3 clems have yellowing and brown leaves lower down the stems. There are no wilted leaves on yours, and no blackened stems, plus it still has lovely flowers higher up. I think you can stop worrying, and enjoy your plant! Px

Thanks P, I was worried I was going to loose it, I will give it another feed when the rain eventually stops

[JennyWrenn]

Just been out to look at my new Marjorie as it was climbing really well and it had two huge snails stuck to it and one MASSIVE brown and a small black slug - out came the pellets

Normally dont get these pests on my clems

[lottielady]

plocket said:

Kermesina should be "wine red" so I wonder whether you've got something different? It might be worth querying it with the British Clematis Society - they are very helpful with unusual queries

www.britishclematis.org.uk/

I'll give them a try Plocket - someone else ( sorry can't remember who) also had a Kermesina that was purple and not red - I think I got it from T&M one one of their offers.

I have another query though on my Pamela Jackman - I had it climbing on an obelisk and it got too big for it - I have now put wires up for it but it is a big tangled mess and needs to be cut back. I've already been advised by Beejay that I may not get flowers on it next year if I do cut it back to the lowest shoots - any thoughts on it?

LLx