|
Post by Plocket on Jun 23, 2007 18:15:53 GMT
hia LL! Pamela Jackman is a group 1 so as Beejay says you won't get many flowers next year if you prune it back, but then again it's a reasonable time to do it if you have to, because it might be able to put on a bit of growth before the end of the season. I would be inclined to cut back some of the stems quite a bit, and some of the stems just a little bit so it doesn't look to bare, and that way you've more of a chance of having some flowers next year.
I hope this helps you!
Px
|
|
|
Post by lottielady on Jun 23, 2007 18:32:30 GMT
Thanks P! Will do just that.
LLx
|
|
|
Post by snowowl on Jun 24, 2007 13:52:00 GMT
Hi all one of my clems HagleyHybrid is in a pot and just come into bud. Over the last 3 days all the opened flowers and new buds have suddenly gone all droopy. The leaves at the bottom are also going yellow and brown. Is this the dreaded wilt i have heard of or could it be something else?
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jun 24, 2007 17:49:07 GMT
Hia Snowy! Well personally I think it's unlikely to be wilt because it doesn't really occur all that often, and most clematis are fairly immune to it these days. How tall is your HH and are the yellowing leaves only at the bottom of the plant? If so there's nothing to worry about as this is quite normal - the plant is just tired from producing buds and doesn't need the leaves lower down the plant so doesn't bother to keep feeding them. As for the buds wilting, again this can happen but it doesn't mean it's wilt. The plant could be over watered because of all the rain we've been having, or even underwatered if it's bushy and the water doesn't get down to the soil. It might also just be hungry. Check the soil to see how dry it is, and check that there aren't any ants nests in the pot too. You can then water more, or stop watering as appropriate, and hopefully that will help. And I'd cut the wilted buds off so that the plant looks nicer Px
|
|
|
Post by snowowl on Jun 24, 2007 17:56:27 GMT
Hi P thanks for that the compost is absolutely soaking with all the rain. The new buds were all fine up to a few days ago then suddenly have gone all droopy i will try and get a phot for you to see but havent time to downlaod now as emmadale is about to start on tv. But i will nip out and take a pic now.
|
|
|
Post by Chuckles on Jun 24, 2007 21:34:31 GMT
I've had some of the same probs as other members have mentioned, sudden wilting of just the flower buds on odd stems and stems with leaves that have wilted on others too. They just looked like they hadn't been watered but that was certainly not the case. Have just chopped off whats wilted and everything is fine with the rest of the Clem. Infact one stem that had wilted buds and leaves got laid across a tray of water and I forgot to remove it, hey presto next time I looked it was all lush again, probably had a little snap in the stem. Fodder for cuttings maybe ;D Anyway, just wanted to say thanks because you have reassured me that it's not Clem wilt
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jun 25, 2007 7:05:59 GMT
Px
|
|
|
Post by nightowl on Jun 25, 2007 7:19:02 GMT
Hi Plocket. As you are the Clem Queen and everyone seems worried about Clematis Wilt, I have a question. A few years ago I had a Clem Freckles that was growing well, and then the shoot tips went droopy and died back and it gradually died from the top all the way down. I thought at the time it was lack of water, but watering didn't save it. Was that clematis wilt??? And could I have saved it if I'd cut the droopy shoots off straight away?
|
|
|
Post by snowowl on Jun 25, 2007 10:02:41 GMT
This is a pic of the clem these are all new buds about to open.Hope it gives you a good idea what is happening P.
|
|
|
Post by bagpuss on Jun 25, 2007 11:18:45 GMT
I have a Comtesse de Bouchard and Duchess of Edinburgh, which are at plug plant stage. The CdB is about 6 inches high, and the DoE is about 3 inches high. Will they still need pruning back just before Spring next year, as I presume that they won't flower this year?
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jun 25, 2007 12:00:14 GMT
Hi Plocket. As you are the Clem Queen and everyone seems worried about Clematis Wilt, I have a question. A few years ago I had a Clem Freckles that was growing well, and then the shoot tips went droopy and died back and it gradually died from the top all the way down. I thought at the time it was lack of water, but watering didn't save it. Was that clematis wilt??? And could I have saved it if I'd cut the droopy shoots off straight away? Hia Nolawn! Well I can't say for sure whether it was or wasn't clematis wilt, but what I can say is that clematis wilt is actually fairly unusual, especially as so many of the more modern clematis have an immunity bred into it - apparently. For example, Hagley Hybrid for example is particularly resistant to it, which is why I'm positive in the cases above that they haven't got clematis wilt. With regard to your Freckles, another positive thought is that it's usually the early-flowering varieties that can suffer from clematis wilt. The main thing to look out for though is the plant turning blackish brown when it's wilted. Unfortunately there are all sorts of reasons plants can die, but most commonly it's over- or under- watering, or damage of some sort either by bugs, weather or animals. For example vine weevil larvae could have destroyed the roots which you wouldn't necessarily have noticed. Obviously I can't say what killed your Freckles, but it probably wasn't clematis wilt. I hope that helps you a bit Nolawn Px
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jun 25, 2007 12:06:19 GMT
This is a pic of the clem these are all new buds about to open.Hope it gives you a good idea what is happening P. Hia Snowy Well I agree that it doesn't look very happy but the leaves still have colour which is a good sign. I would cut back the dead flowers, and prune the plant as if it has flowered. That should stimulate new growth and with any luck you'll have flowers later on this year. As the plant is in a pot you should ensure that water can drain away because they really don't like soggy roots. If it isn't already raised off the ground I would stand the container on pot feet, and this will also prevent ants from trying to nest inside. If you haven't fed the plant for a while I would put some chicken manure pellets around the plant and when it rains (hahaha!) they will feed the plant without you having to water it especially. Hopefully with all that tlc your Hagley Hybrid will recover Snowy! Px
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jun 25, 2007 12:12:29 GMT
I have a Comtesse de Bouchard and Duchess of Edinburgh, which are at plug plant stage. The CdB is about 6 inches high, and the DoE is about 3 inches high. Will they still need pruning back just before Spring next year, as I presume that they won't flower this year? Hia Bagpuss Comtesse de Bouchard is in pruning group 3 which means that it requires pruning in spring, say February/March time. Duchess of Edinburgh is in pruning group 2 which means that it should be pruned after flowering, which is usually early summer. I would prune back the DoE now, because as you say it won't flower this year, and if you cut just above a pair of leaves it should shoot from that leaf node. As for CdB you can also cut it back now in the same fashion to encourage it to produce more growth. As they are both such little plants I would protect them a bit over winter, say in an unheated greenhouse, but they will die back and look dead so don't worry! And when you come to plant them, plant them deeper than the current soil level which will encourage even more growth and a healthy plant. I hope this helps! Px
|
|
|
Post by snowowl on Jun 25, 2007 12:14:28 GMT
Thanks P i think the roots must be wet we have had so much rain. The pot is raised of the floor i am tempted to plant in the ground when my OH as cut a conifer hedge down which he is this week and making me a raised bed. Do you think it would be safe to take them out the pot at this time.
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jun 25, 2007 12:19:42 GMT
Hia Snowy! It's ok to plant clematis at pretty much any time of year, providing the ground isn't frozen, and with the cooler wet weather we are having it's a good time. Get your OH to dig the hole bigger than necessary, and chuck in some manure or blood/fish/bone in the bottom and then some good quality compost mixed in with your soil. Backfill with more compost mixed into your soil which will help encourage the plant to expand it's roots, and ensure that you water it regularly to help it, but that might not be necessary at the moment!
I hope your Hagley recovers - do please let me know!
Px
|
|
|
Post by bagpuss on Jun 25, 2007 13:35:23 GMT
Thanks Plocket. Helpful as ever. Much appreciated
|
|
|
Post by nightowl on Jun 25, 2007 14:44:20 GMT
Hi Plocket. From what you say, I really think it was clem wilt my Freckles had as the shoots did turn dark brown as they died back, and the books say it goes from the top down, which is what happened, dark brown all the way. So, say it was CW, what prospects for other clems in the same spot? Does it live in the soil? Is it virus or fungus? I have tried another clem there since and that died. Not in the same way ( well, don't think so, but it didn't have a lot of lush growth on it to noticeably die ) But it just didn't do well, hardly put on any growth, and sort of faded away.
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jun 25, 2007 16:59:26 GMT
Hia Nightowl!
CW is a fungal disease which affects most parts of the plant but particularly that above the soil. Plants that have been cut back hard have been known to thrive afterwards, which would suggest that the soil is fine.
With your Freckles though I would be reluctant to plant another clematis on the same spot for a year or so at least, because I'm not convinced it was Wilt.
Another thought is that maybe Freckles just doesn't like your soil. I've struggled twice to grow a clematis called Pointy - in two places in the garden, and planted with other clematis. On both occasions it has died (not from Wilt though) but the other clematis have thrived, and still do thrive. I really don't know enough about your particular circumstances to say whether you can plant in that spot again, but depending on what you choose, you could have your new clematis in a pot for a couple of years if it's a space you want to fill.
Whatever you choose to do, if you do have another clematis make sure you plant it deep in the soil to encourage new growth.
Px
|
|
|
Post by nightowl on Jun 25, 2007 19:26:34 GMT
Thanks Plocket. They're fussy old things really aren't they.
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jun 26, 2007 7:18:43 GMT
Yep in a lot of ways they are - gotta prune them right, give them lots of water but not boggy soil, feed them..... I guess that's what I like about gardening: a bit of nurturing, bullying, and incredible rewards Px
|
|
|
Post by Chuckles on Jul 3, 2007 13:54:06 GMT
If I hadn't seen this with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it. The 3 Sieboldii from T & M have really grown all 3 have put up a long main shoot and one has flower buds on it This is them in the Poly on the yellow tray with the Geranium Close up so you can see the flower buds Plocket would you think I'd be best giving them a wee trim and forgo the flowers as they are only babies
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jul 3, 2007 16:49:08 GMT
Hia Chuckles! Yes I'd cut them back a bit - not only will that encourage new stems because it's still the growing season, but it will also prevent them from using up that same energy on unnecessary (albeit pretty) flowers.
Those are amazing btw - one of mine is about 1ft tall, another is about 6 inches and the third is tiny but really bushy.
Where are you going to plant yours then Chuckles?
|
|
|
Post by Chuckles on Jul 3, 2007 19:56:20 GMT
Thanks P I'm pleased with them ;D All I've done with them is pot them up in some nice new compo and kept them in the Poly. I'll give them a trim tomorrow. No idea were I'm going to plant them If you look back at the photo on the white tray behind the Clems I have 4 Everlasting Sweet Peas grown from seed and 2 Passion Flowers from cuttings, they are all a good 2ft high and non have got a home yet. But you know what it's like there's always room somewhere for them
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jul 4, 2007 7:11:28 GMT
You'll find a pot to put them in!!! How about putting the sweetpeas with the Sieboldii? ;D
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jul 7, 2007 15:39:03 GMT
I'm flummoxed: my Freckles is in flower I don't think it's realised it's supposed to flower in WINTER!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by snowowl on Jul 7, 2007 16:02:50 GMT
Well we have had a lot of winter weather just lately P.
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jul 7, 2007 16:31:36 GMT
PML Snowy! I hadn't realised it was THAT bad!!! I must have missed the recent snow and frosts ;D ;D ;D
|
|
|
Post by jean on Jul 7, 2007 22:03:52 GMT
My Freckles is in flower too Plocket - I was going to ask you if this was right
|
|
|
Post by Chuckles on Jul 7, 2007 22:16:47 GMT
You'll find a pot to put them in!!! How about putting the sweetpeas with the Sieboldii? ;D Oh yes P what a good idea I'll do that. I've chopped the young Sieboldii half way down, Confess on one I did cut just above a couple of flowers, I couldn't do it they looked at me all Just posted on Gdn Chat that my Wisley has flowers too My Freckles is only a young one so no out of season flowers on mine.
|
|
|
Post by Plocket on Jul 8, 2007 8:45:13 GMT
It's not right Jlottie but it doesn't bother me - the plant will sort itself out My Wisley Cream seems to have vanished off the face of the earth! It was growing with Freckles though so it might well have been overpowered I'm sure your Sieboldii will be absolutely fine Chuckles - I know what you mean about flowers though - it just doesn't seem right to cut them off does it? I did it with my Blue Poppies last year though and boy did it make a difference I might have to grow some sweetpeas next year to go with some of my clems
|
|