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Post by Rosefriend on Aug 29, 2013 7:31:56 GMT
I've lost the RF Special Budd....it is in the compost bin!!
We are in the midst of changing the front garden (pics on my thread when I can) and there was no way that it could be transplanted - the roots were huge even after the 18 months that it had been in the ground.
Anyoldhow I rang Herbert of Herb's fame and as we had worked together on the Entente Florale, and I had bought it from him originally, I hoped he would be able to get me one. He has half a dozen left and I can go over and choose one whenever - he will make sure one is saved for me!!!
I have marked a spot in the back garden, even to the point of getting rid of a couple of plants, and will get it in before autumn really starts - just hope it gets over the winter..
Phew...I was worried for a little while as I have to say it is the best Budd that I have ever had !!
RF
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Post by Ladygardener on Aug 29, 2013 8:11:27 GMT
That's a real shame Rosefriend but great that Herb has another one. Fingers crossed that it settles in and does well for you. |
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Post by Rosefriend on Aug 29, 2013 11:29:06 GMT
That's a real shame Rosefriend but great that Herb has another one. Fingers crossed that it settles in and does well for you. Just got back from Herb's and have a new RF Budd in my sticky mitts....yippee... I should be able to plant it now and it will be ok for the winter - Herbert says that a bit of fleece if there is frost and no snow would be advisable... Was also at Olaf's but he is already on the way to the Old Blighty and then to Bonnie Scotland and the Outer Hebrides for a week with some pals!! RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on Aug 29, 2013 15:29:56 GMT
Is'nt he lucky, hope he has fun. Good that your Bud will get a good chance to settle in before your winter arrives. Is it a good size Rosefriend? |
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Post by Rosefriend on Aug 29, 2013 18:01:13 GMT
Is'nt he lucky, hope he has fun. Good that your Bud will get a good chance to settle in before your winter arrives. Is it a good size Rosefriend? Yes, about 50 cms / 20inches. There were a few to choose from but I got one with a "back" so that it will go against the fencing...  RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on Aug 30, 2013 5:03:58 GMT
That's a good size Rosefriend I see it has flowered already too. |
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Post by Rosefriend on Aug 30, 2013 5:25:06 GMT
That's a good size Rosefriend I see it has flowered already too. Yes it has Ladygardener but I am still in a quandary as to whether to put it in the GH for the winter (if only we knew what we were going to get) or to plant out and hope that we get a warm snow blanket before the worst comes!! RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on Aug 30, 2013 5:29:07 GMT
I was wondering the same thing Rosefriend and then I saw that you were saying you have a spot to plant it. It's difficult for you I know with your very cold winters. |
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Post by Missredhead on Aug 31, 2013 18:54:55 GMT
Was wondering....my RF's special Budd is taller than my arch that it is planted next to...when can it be cut back and how far can it be cut back to? It is really flapping away in the wind atm..
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 2, 2013 12:09:53 GMT
Was wondering....my RF's special Budd is taller than my arch that it is planted next to...when can it be cut back and how far can it be cut back to? It is really flapping away in the wind atm.. Normally Budd's are cut back in Spring to about knee height - if it is too high now then cut it back in autumn by about half and then to knee height in Spring...remember it flowers on new wood so you will get more flowers and bigger ones the harder you prune back. RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on Sept 2, 2013 15:46:20 GMT
Missredhead, I have Buddlea Buzz I always cut mine back in late autumn or so to about half or 1/3 as Rosefriend says, it stops it rocking about in the winter weather. Then in spring I give it a really good cut and shape it a bit and cut out anything dead. It does seem to thrive on being cut back.
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Post by Ladygardener on Sept 3, 2013 5:48:49 GMT
Missredhead I've typed this out for you and anyone who wants to know when to prune. It's from RHS magazine The Garden and is their advice to pruning Buddlea. I had no idea there were 3 groups the same way as Clematis.  Group 1 Buddleja crispa b. fallowiana and B. lindleyana like B. davidii are pruned hard in spring, cutting branches back to 20-30cm. Where extra height is needed, such as for plants positioned at the back of a border, cut within a few buds of a permanent woody framework. Group 2 Buddleja alternifolia and B. colvilei flower on the previous seasons growth, so should be pruned in midsummer, immediately after flowering. Cut back flowered shoots to healthy lower buds or non flowering sideshoots. Remove completely any dead, diseased or congested branches. Group 3 and the picture here is of a yellow bud. Buddleja globosa flowers on growth from terminal buds on the previous season's wood. Remove weak or exhausted branches in early spring. Large branches flowering high up can be cut back to old wood. If the plant is leggy and bare, hard prune in spring, but next year's flowers will be lost.
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 3, 2013 6:04:34 GMT
Just for anyone with the RF Special Budd ( Missredhead, Ladygardener, Jasmine Jilly) - it is a Buddleia Davidii x B. Weyariana ( Weyariana is a cross between B. davidii and B. globosa) and should be pruned in Spring in Group 1 as LG has said. Lovely info LG !! If anyone wants to read up on them here is a good link.. www.buddlejagarden.co.uk/weyer.htmlRF |
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Post by Jasmine on Sept 3, 2013 6:20:53 GMT
Oh phew Rosefriend - for a minute - at the top of the page - your story wasn't going well. I cut mine back in spring and keep quite a few babies on the go as back up so if anyone ever needs a cutting I should have one! |
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Post by Missredhead on Sept 3, 2013 14:42:04 GMT
Sooooo....when is Autumn? The weather is still Summery so when should I cut it back?
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Post by Jasmine on Sept 3, 2013 16:03:54 GMT
Not til February or March Missy but if you wanted to give it a little trim you could do it now'ish.
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 3, 2013 16:46:04 GMT
Sooooo....when is Autumn? The weather is still Summery so when should I cut it back? Not til February or March Missy but if you wanted to give it a little trim you could do it now'ish. I agree - cut it in half when it starts to get a little coder and then prune it properly in Spring.. RF |
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Post by Missredhead on Sept 4, 2013 9:01:43 GMT
well I wont get chance to do it before the weekend and as they say that this week its going to be hot its a good job really but apparently the weather is due to change next week so I might try and give it a trim in a couple of weeks then..
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Post by Geranium on Sept 5, 2013 5:37:57 GMT
Glad to hear you managed to replace your Budd, Rosefriend. I'm not getting another one to replace the ancient one that died. I might try to find a space next year somewhere, though. We'll see. |
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Post by Dutchy on Sept 7, 2013 9:00:26 GMT
Hia I got back from Hols in one piece and had hardly any rain. Just the first day really. What you lot moan about the Lake District is therefore beyond me  However I did see special buds of a size that still has me in awe. I did not take pics as I was sure that would then kill them. RF knows what I am on about. The new one you got from Herbs is one of those orangy yellow ones that I saw out at the lakes. It was at least 2.5 m high and more than 3m round. In a sheltered spot behind a big sun catching wall but still.... At least now I understand why Buds are ... weeds (according to the UK contingent of this board  ) |
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 7, 2013 12:58:50 GMT
Hia I got back from Hols in one piece and had hardly any rain. Just the first day really. What you lot moan about the Lake District is therefore beyond me However I did see special buds of a size that still has me in awe. I did not take pics as I was sure that would then kill them. RF knows what I am on about. The new one you got from Herbs is one of those orangy yellow ones that I saw out at the lakes. It was at least 2.5 m high and more than 3m round. In a sheltered spot behind a big sun catching wall but still.... At least now I understand why Buds are ... weeds (according to the UK contingent of this board ) Herb calls it "Apricot Budd" - a little beauty...must get it planted.. Yep once in the UK you can see why they call them weeds..... Rf |
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Post by Jasmine on Sept 7, 2013 13:01:50 GMT
Welcome back Dutchy - glad you had a good time. I think you caught a sunny phase in the UK weather! This year it has been quite noticeable that my white and cream buds have been later flowering than any of the others - anyone else noticed this? |
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Post by Ladygardener on Sept 7, 2013 15:23:20 GMT
Lovely to see you back again Dutchy, glad to hear you got good weather. Yes now you know what everyone here is on about when we say they grow in cracks in the walls. The orange ones however are still quite rare over here in NI. I've never seen one although I have seen them when visiting the Lake District. |
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Post by Missredhead on Sept 7, 2013 16:59:37 GMT
They grow everywhere here...RF will tell you...she was surprised to see them growing along the train tracks at the station...
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Post by Dutchy on Sept 20, 2013 8:09:41 GMT
Yes budds do like being in the UK it seems.
Mind you I have seen them by raillroads and the likes in France and the south of Belgium.
I think it is the combination of winter wet and strong frost that does them in over here. Although you do see some, they are no where near being weeds.
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 1, 2015 12:44:38 GMT
Ladygardener, Missredhead, Jasmine, Geranium, Dutchy, Jilly, Tig, isabella, I told Dutchy this when she was here last weekend and she was in disbelief as well. On our last visit to Olaf's we stood chatting and he said that in a year or two Buddleia's will not be sold in Germany anymore...the reason - they are too invasive!!! I jest not, lovely people - invasive...I roared with laughter and told him that they should be stopped in the UK , not here, and I had never had a seedling in my life... Wonder where in Germany they have taken over...I have never seen one that hasn't been planted purposely!!
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Post by owdboggy on Jul 1, 2015 13:19:15 GMT
That would be a shame as there over 100 species, only one of which is a seed weed, B. davidii. Many of the rest never set seed in European situations.
I would like a few more, we have Bb. alternifolia, globosa and Silver Anniversary plus the usual davidii and two whose names totally escapes me at present.
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 1, 2015 13:37:45 GMT
That would be a shame as there over 100 species, only one of which is a seed weed, B. davidii. Many of the rest never set seed in European situations. I would like a few more, we have Bb. alternifolia, globosa and Silver Anniversary plus the usual davidii and two whose names totally escapes me at present. I will certainly ask again owdboggy, as the last thing that is invasive on this side of the water is Buddleia - maybe they are only talking about the Davidii - I still have never seen one seedling from them.. |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jul 1, 2015 17:18:25 GMT
Ladygardener, Missredhead, Jasmine, Geranium, Dutchy, Jilly, Tig, isabella, I told Dutchy this when she was here last weekend and she was in disbelief as well. On our last visit to Olaf's we stood chatting and he said that in a year or two Buddleia's will not be sold in Germany anymore...the reason - they are too invasive!!! I jest not, lovely people - invasive...I roared with laughter and told him that they should be stopped in the UK , not here, and I had never had a seedling in my life... Wonder where in Germany they have taken over...I have never seen one that hasn't been planted purposely!! That would be a shame as there over 100 species, only one of which is a seed weed, B. davidii. Many of the rest never set seed in European situations. I would like a few more, we have Bb. alternifolia, globosa and Silver Anniversary plus the usual davidii and two whose names totally escapes me at present. It's interesting you should say this about Buddlea Rosefriend. A few weeks ago I was at a talk by the r.s.p.b., one of the speakers was a man from England who had been asked recently to design a wildlife friendly garden on behalf of the rspb. He was saying that from now on designers would'nt be using budds and the rspb were advising people to choose another type of shrub or flowers for their gardens because Buddlea are so invasive. Now, I know there are many different types of budd and he could'nt specify which type the rspb suggest not using, I suspect that as owdboggy says it is B davidii that they're saying not to use but I wonder how many people will not buy any type of budd at all, thinking they're too invasive! Rosefriend, Ladygardener, Missredhead, Jasmine, Geranium, Dutchy, owdboggy, |
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Post by Barbara on Jul 1, 2015 17:22:30 GMT
I wonder who started this romour off.
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