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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 2, 2015 4:08:15 GMT
Ladygardener, Missredhead, Jasmine, Geranium, Dutchy, Jilly, Tig, isabella, I told Dutchy this when she was here last weekend and she was in disbelief as well. On our last visit to Olaf's we stood chatting and he said that in a year or two Buddleia's will not be sold in Germany anymore...the reason - they are too invasive!!! I jest not, lovely people - invasive...I roared with laughter and told him that they should be stopped in the UK , not here, and I had never had a seedling in my life... Wonder where in Germany they have taken over...I have never seen one that hasn't been planted purposely!! That would be a shame as there over 100 species, only one of which is a seed weed, B. davidii. Many of the rest never set seed in European situations. I would like a few more, we have Bb. alternifolia, globosa and Silver Anniversary plus the usual davidii and two whose names totally escapes me at present. It's interesting you should say this about Buddlea Rosefriend. A few weeks ago I was at a talk by the r.s.p.b., one of the speakers was a man from England who had been asked recently to design a wildlife friendly garden on behalf of the rspb. He was saying that from now on designers would'nt be using budds and the rspb were advising people to choose another type of shrub or flowers for their gardens because Buddlea are so invasive. Now, I know there are many different types of budd and he could'nt specify which type the rspb suggest not using, I suspect that as owdboggy says it is B davidii that they're saying not to use but I wonder how many people will not buy any type of budd at all, thinking they're too invasive! Rosefriend, Ladygardener, Missredhead, Jasmine, Geranium, Dutchy, owdboggy, I wonder who started this romour off. No rumour as such Barbara as Olaf has one, if not the, top nursery in northern Germany, and as such is told what is happening and when I hear what Ladygardener has said, I wonder if this isn't a EU decision for Europe based on all countries together and not individually.. That would make it look as though Budds are invasive in each land and not just England etc..whereas Budds are definitely not invasive here, we only need a very hard winter and half the population is dead anyway...!! I will ask again though as it would be awful not to be able to get Budds anymore... |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jul 2, 2015 6:07:33 GMT
I wonder who started this romour off. It was the man from the R.S.P. B who told me face to face Barbara so it seems as if they at least are definately suggesting you plant something other than Buddlea and he did'nt specify which type. |
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Post by Barbara on Jul 2, 2015 7:08:49 GMT
I have a bud, but I've never had a seedling anywhere else in the garden.
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Post by Dutchy on Jul 2, 2015 7:51:58 GMT
I am actually glad of a bit of invasive behaviour. That means there is at least one bud that might just survive on our wet clay. But then again most keel over, even the davidii. Ah and I tend to get the blame as I am supposed to have a bad way of looking at buds....  |
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Post by Barbara on Jul 2, 2015 8:27:06 GMT
I only meant which scientist / botanist came up with this, probably the same one who came up with carbon footprints,  what about the butterfly, ? where will he sit in the autumn if they are all eradicated. |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jul 2, 2015 8:30:25 GMT
Rosefriend, Ladygardener, Barbara, Dutchy, I would'nt dream of getting rid of my Buddleia and like yours Barbara it has never self seeded in my garden. In fact, Jenny has a variegated one that I would like her to try a cutting of for me. I must ask google what the story is about the buddleias. ok I've had a look and here is what DEFRA says about it. I think people are picking up bits of information and getting it wrong from the sounds of things. I think I'll get in touch with the r.s.p.b as I know a girl who works there and say to her about the wrong information being given out in their talks and workshops. www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28196221
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Post by Barbara on Jul 2, 2015 9:55:50 GMT
See what I mean Ladygardener, a little knowledge IS a dangerous thing, they take a little idea and blow it out of all proportion to get a name for them selves. |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jul 2, 2015 10:03:24 GMT
See what I mean Ladygardener, a little knowledge IS a dangerous thing, they take a little idea and blow it out of all proportion to get a name for them selves. insert code hereYes Barbara, Rosefriend, Dutchy, I was surprised and a bit annoyed when he said it and I was chatting to Jenny ab out it. I did mean to read about it for myself to see exactly what is going on so it's good that we've discussed it here on this thread. |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 2, 2015 15:29:35 GMT
See what I mean Ladygardener, a little knowledge IS a dangerous thing, they take a little idea and blow it out of all proportion to get a name for them selves. insert code hereYes Barbara, Rosefriend, Dutchy, I was surprised and a bit annoyed when he said it and I was chatting to Jenny ab out it. I did mean to read about it for myself to see exactly what is going on so it's good that we've discussed it here on this thread. I have just had a mail from Olaf and he says that at the moment all he knows from official letters he has become is that "In Switzerland Budds are not allowed to be sold already and in the Uk only sterile seed varieties will been sold sometime soon.." What he didn't say is what the situation is here in Germany - whether they will be forbidden or?? RF |
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Post by owdboggy on Jul 2, 2015 16:58:39 GMT
The phrase 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted' comes to mind here. B. davidii is well ensconced in the country. What are they going to do, comb every inch of Britain, pulling out the bushes? And order everyone with one in their garden to remove it?
Mind they are in the process of doing that with Rhododendron ponticum, soon it will be illegal to have that on ones land, just as it is with Japanese knotweed.
Pity these people were not around when the Romans brought in Ground elder, then perhaps I would not be spending hours trying to get rid of it.
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Post by Ladygardener on Jul 2, 2015 17:16:14 GMT
You beat me to it owdboggy I was going to post that about the Rhododendron too. |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 2, 2015 17:41:58 GMT
The phrase 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted' comes to mind here. B. davidii is well ensconced in the country. What are they going to do, comb every inch of Britain, pulling out the bushes? And order everyone with one in their garden to remove it? Mind they are in the process of doing that with Rhododendron ponticum, soon it will be illegal to have that on ones land, just as it is with Japanese knotweed. Pity these people were not around when the Romans brought in Ground elder, then perhaps I would not be spending hours trying to get rid of it. You beat me to it owdboggy I was going to post that about the Rhododendron too. I have to say that I agree with you both.... |
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 3, 2015 18:10:18 GMT
Just catching up with this. Interestingly I am slowly loosing my budds, about one a year. The leaves go yellow and the bush dies. I'm not sure how good they are with honey fungus as that is quite rife in our garden or whether, like Dutchy, the clay gets them  |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jul 4, 2015 12:07:54 GMT
I'm not sure if it's just the clay 'tho Jasmine. Jenny gardens on clay with added mp and whatever and her buds seem ok although she's only had them for a couple of years. Perhaps they're fairly short lived, do you still have your little (ha ha ) ones, the Buzz ones like the 1 you sent me? |
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 4, 2015 18:24:17 GMT
The small (hmm, hmm!) budds are doing really well Ladygardener, but like you say 'small' is not really the right word. I have just cut some of the stems on one back a bit to let some sunshine fall on my Gertie J rose! I don't know if budds have a life span as such but the 3 I've lost over the past 2 years were planted without any of that mycrocozal (sp - too much Prosecco) stuff which I have always used since working out what the black bootlace things that appeared every time I dug another bed. |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jul 5, 2015 5:59:01 GMT
I did google to see their life span and it seems that in the right conditions they can live for 20 odd years Jasmine. I give my buzz the Chelsea Chop every year but not all of it, I leave a few branches at the back to get earlier flowers. They do grow big in the ground even 'tho they're ment to be dwarf.. I would'nt be without it now. Perhaps it is the honey fungus that gets to them.... |
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Post by Dutchy on Jul 5, 2015 8:47:46 GMT
You can't have too many prosecco it must be the heat....  My clay is not the problem but the prolonged winter wet is and honeyfungus well, that sure gets them. I had one at MssK that ended up oozing a fungus that stank too and after I removed the plant the stump still kept oozing the fungus. Not honey fungus but I never did find what it was. Fortunately no other plants arounf the area got it. There are Budds at the allotments that do survive but they are in the dry-est sunniest areas. In gardens one only sees them with people who have gravel gardens or raised beds. That suggests wet is the problem and clay in a Dutch Winter does get as soggy as it can. |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jul 5, 2015 9:12:49 GMT
When you see them growing out of cracks in the wall it's a dead giveaway that they like really dry and sometimes very poor conditions. I have mine at the back of the border and most of the time the only watering it gets is from me so that's likely why it has survived, the soil there is very very well drained.
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what about the butterfly, ? where will he sit in the autumn if they are all eradicated.
