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Post by Rosefriend on May 14, 2011 8:50:56 GMT
What I do when I have cut my roses right back (or the winter has done it for me) is to give them a dose of Potassium Sulphate (sulphate of potash/potash of sulfur) around August/September - this helps harden all the new growth for winter.
Another tip is to stop cutting the blooms off roses around October - let them get rosehips - it slows the growth down which again helps to harden the stems and the birds love them...
Also as daft as it sounds if you are planting new roses and happen to have a banana skin or even a whole banana lying around, throw it in the hole and then plant the rose on top....it is a great source of potassium which helps give bigger and better blooms...
I was told by an old gardener that he used to throw the odd dead fish in but I reckon a banana is better and less smelly somehow!!
RF
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Post by Jasmine on May 14, 2011 11:08:33 GMT
I like the banana idea RF - I think a dead fish may gather every fox in the neighbourhood!
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Post by Ladygardener on May 14, 2011 18:00:11 GMT
Not always easy LG as the old myth that suckers have more than 5 leaves, is just that - a myth. There is actually one rose that has 21/23 leaves... I would have suspected that a climber had more than one branch anyway...perhaps it is making up for lost time... Any chance of a pic? RF If it ever stops raining I'll get a pic and post it here Rf. i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd161/GWDAdmin1/Smilies/Default/smiley.gif |
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Post by Tig on May 17, 2011 19:36:36 GMT
Is it possible for a rose to decide it wants to be a climber even if it wasn't bought as one? My Blue Moon, which I've had for years, and always pruned the same way, had suddenly shot skyward this year! And I don't mean it is 3', more like ruddy 6'!!! How the heck am I going to smell the perfume up there? and ... how will I ever get a piccie of the flowers  x Tig |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 18, 2011 5:42:13 GMT
P'raps it wants an adventure - hehe!!
In wet summers it is usual for rose stem to shoot upwards but we haven't had the rain for that yet, I don't think.
If you have fed it and pruned it as usual then I would let it flower and cut it back to "normal size" - it will flower again, just a couple of weeks later perhaps.
Have you got a step-ladder!!??
RF
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Post by Ladygardener on May 18, 2011 6:00:54 GMT
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Post by Rosefriend on May 18, 2011 6:27:01 GMT
I think it is a lovely little rose and a good rescue job - well done....good roses don't always have to have fantastic names and come from top breeders...after all - "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"!!
That for me is new growth LG - it often comes through in red although not always.
Suckers tend to be a pale green and often thinner than a normal stem....all depends on the variety of the rose.
RF
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Post by Ladygardener on May 18, 2011 6:46:39 GMT
Rf that's pleased me no end, I was hoping it was new growth. Thanks very much for that info.  |
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Post by Chuckles on May 23, 2011 13:47:20 GMT
That new growth for me too LG  I've always found suckers to be very thorny as well, really small ones and close together. I've got and pot which had a standard rose in it at one, the standard bit the dust but the root stock has thrown up some suckers which I've left out of curiosity  |
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Post by Rosefriend on May 23, 2011 13:55:58 GMT
I lost a rose about 4 years and the other day I was looking at the neighbours field garden when I noticed that it must have started growing again from the roots - it will only probably be a dog rose but I am looking forward to seeing it...
RF
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Post by Ladygardener on May 23, 2011 13:56:26 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what grows from them Chuckles. |
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Post by Ladygardener on May 23, 2011 13:58:23 GMT
How did it get into the neighbours garden Rf.
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Post by Rosefriend on May 23, 2011 14:09:30 GMT
Well it was fairly near the fence so I can only think that it wandered through....it's the only lovely thing in his weed infested patch - well apart from some very nice daffs in Spring - he got those when OH threw them over years ago...he said he didn't know what they were...
RF
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Post by Chuckles on May 23, 2011 15:05:11 GMT
All I'm expecting is a dog rose tbo but they are lovely. I ought to plant it in the garden really so it could get going better, will have to think of a nice spot.
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Post by Chuckles on Jun 19, 2011 13:17:57 GMT
Whilst looking through the Pink photos in the gallery I got quite excited when I saw one of your roses RF, its identical to one I've tried to ID for ages. Mmmmm then I saw you'd labelled it "Unknown Old Rose" Anyway, this is your Unknown Old Rose  and this is my Unknown Rose.  Previous searches had made me wonder about it being Madame Isaac Periere or Rose de Rescht but they are out of the window now as I see you have those. The colours are slightly different I know but the camera can do that and it also depends on the age of the bloom too, mine is true to colour for a flower that has been open just a few days. It wasn't just the look, but they both have that purpley sort of streak in the petals. Mine grows long stems and has several flowers grow at the top, it has a very strong perfume and grows about 4-5ft. The mother rose was in the garden of a holiday cottage we rented quite a few years ago and it was growing up the cottage to the height of the bedroom windows, I couldn;t resist taking a cutting. Mine is in a huge tub so may grow taller if was in the ground. Do you think we have the same Unknown Old Rose. Heres a couple more photos   |
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Post by Barbara on Jun 19, 2011 18:48:44 GMT
Please can anyone tell me, do I dead head iceberg roses. and I've just given it a feed with rose food and sprayed for blackspot am I right with all that, not being used to growing roses I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. when. |
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Post by Tig on Jun 19, 2011 19:19:43 GMT
I regularly deadhead my Iceberg Barbara, I've been out doing it tonight - it just keeps on flowering and flowering right up to the frosts Although mine is too big to get all the dead flower heads off, I'd need a ladder, but it keeps it looking tidy at eye level. x Tig |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 20, 2011 5:55:10 GMT
Whilst looking through the Pink photos in the gallery I got quite excited when I saw one of your roses RF, its identical to one I've tried to ID for ages. Mmmmm then I saw you'd labelled it "Unknown Old Rose" Anyway, this is your Unknown Old Rose and this is my Unknown Rose. Previous searches had made me wonder about it being Madame Isaac Periere or Rose de Rescht but they are out of the window now as I see you have those. The colours are slightly different I know but the camera can do that and it also depends on the age of the bloom too, mine is true to colour for a flower that has been open just a few days. It wasn't just the look, but they both have that purpley sort of streak in the petals. Mine grows long stems and has several flowers grow at the top, it has a very strong perfume and grows about 4-5ft. The mother rose was in the garden of a holiday cottage we rented quite a few years ago and it was growing up the cottage to the height of the bedroom windows, I couldn;t resist taking a cutting. Mine is in a huge tub so may grow taller if was in the ground. Do you think we have the same Unknown Old Rose. Heres a couple more photos This is a difficult one and there is a story attached to this rose. It originally came from OM's place via Dutchy who gave it me last year and I have since planted it in the garden. Here is the link as to how it all began... gardenworld.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=borders&thread=4741&post=178682If you read through all that lot....you will see that Foz and I were leaning heavily towards a rambler/Gallica more than Centifolia. Both Foz and I were fairly sure that it couldn't be William Lobb and there was a possibility that it could have been "Tour de Malakoff'. I was never sure as Tour de Malakoff has a lighter opening petal and OM's rose does not.... Your rose is very similar Chuckles but if OM's rose is a rambler and the growing habit possibly points to that ...the stems are not hard, they are bendy (typical rambler) then yours is not a rambler. The rose looks like a climber....or a large shrub rose... Both roses certainly have the "Gallica" colour but then many old roses have this... As I say, very difficult, and even breeders will leave their options open when trying to name an old rose. My rose was given the name Old Moley together with the Budd that I received from him. I still feel that it is a Gallica but I cannot prove it. RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 20, 2011 6:28:54 GMT
I wonder why my Rose did'nt put any buds out this year. It was the cutting I'd taken a couple of years ago and bloomed for me last year. I repotted it and I wonder was the potting compost just not strong enough for it. I put it in multi purpose and added some farmyard manure. I've fed it with Rose feed regularly. The Nigella in the same tub are blooming well but no sign of a Rose.
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 20, 2011 6:51:23 GMT
Please can anyone tell me, do I dead head iceberg roses. and I've just given it a feed with rose food and sprayed for blackspot am I right with all that, not being used to growing roses I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. when. As Tig says Iceberg should be dead headed as it is a repeat flowering rose. Spraying for blackspot and feeding is great as well....don't feed anymore for this year though as the new stems won't have time to harden off before winter. I wonder why my Rose did'nt put any buds out this year. It was the cutting I'd taken a couple of years ago and bloomed for me last year. I repotted it and I wonder was the potting compost just not strong enough for it. I put it in multi purpose and added some farmyard manure. I've fed it with Rose feed regularly. The Nigella in the same tub are blooming well but no sign of a Rose. I once had a rose that didn't flower once - never did find out why. However one thing springs to mind here and I am only taking a guess but you could be over feeding it so that it is only producing leaves. You say you potted it in potting compost (that has Fertilizer in it normally), then you added manure (again fertilizer) and you are feeding it regularly with rose Fertilizer..... Normally roses are fed twice - once in March (ish) and then no later than June/July with a good Rose Fertilizer. I know there are liquid rose foods but I have never used them and I don't know what exactly is in them. I would stop feeding it LG - you might just get bloom even now. RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 20, 2011 8:23:50 GMT
Oh Thanks a lot Rf for that info. It might well be over feeding. I won't feed any more and we'll see how it goes. |
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Post by Barbara on Jun 20, 2011 10:58:55 GMT
Thanks RF. and Tig. |
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Post by Chuckles on Jun 21, 2011 10:30:50 GMT
Thanks for the info RF, I remember the story now. Despite the flowers looking the same the habit of mine is definately not a rambler. Old Moley has certainly done well for you, I think I'll do the same as you have and name mine 'Little Cheverell' because thats the name of the village it came from ;D LG...I have to watch what I'm doing with feeding, I've got some roses in pots mixed amongst other plants in pots so am always reminding myself 'don't feed the rose pots' To reach the higher bits on my Iceberg I use my long handled lawn edgers. I sometimes have to get the lawn rake up there to gently pull the branches down and leave it hanging on while I snip ;D I had one of those long handled pruners, the sort with a hook and blade, you then pull a cord/wire and it cuts. The handle has broken atm, must look to see if I can fix it. |
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Post by Geranium on Jun 29, 2011 18:56:28 GMT
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 15, 2011 8:52:45 GMT
That's a very pretty rose Geranium! Has anyone any idea what this rose might be...  It was a free T&M offer and it's supposed to be New Dawn!! I'm not sure it's even a climber |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 15, 2011 11:04:19 GMT
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Post by Ron on Jul 15, 2011 13:46:11 GMT
It's a bit like Glory of Edzell but rougher round the edges. It's probably a species rose or a hybrid of a species like Bella Nitida. Could it be the stock? Have you had flowers on any other part of the bush?
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 15, 2011 14:15:55 GMT
Thank you for your replies RF and Rony. No, that's its first flower although I have to say it isn't a very vigorous plant. It was literally a stick when I got it and it has grown very very slowly. I was amazed to see a bud it's still so small.
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Post by Jasmine on Jul 15, 2011 15:20:02 GMT
Are you going to send T & M a mail?? RF Sorry, I forgot to answer this question RF. I wasn't going to bother but I might - they just might know what else they were selling at the time that it could have got muddled with although I doubt it. It's a very pretty rose - I like it - but I put New Dawn there as that bed only gets morning sun and I read that New Dawn could cope with a bit of shade! |
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Post by Ron on Jul 17, 2011 8:59:52 GMT
My experience with T&M isn't promising, Jasmine. When they sent me a wrong rose, I complained, went through the lengthy process of wrapping it for return (they supplied the label) and taking it to the post office, and awaited the replacement. They sent me another version of the same wrong rose again!
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I've always found suckers to be very thorny as well, really small ones and close together. I've got and pot which had a standard rose in it at one, the standard bit the dust but the root stock has thrown up some suckers which I've left out of curiosity 
