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Post by Barbara on Aug 19, 2016 16:46:51 GMT
Oh god RF sorry for being thick
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Post by fozzie on Aug 20, 2016 8:52:47 GMT
Barbara, Not thick, no way, just not familiar with the term! This is a quote from a gardener at NT Mottisfont, (has wonderful rose gardens). "It's the time of year where our roses that had such a beautiful display of flowers start to display and ripen their heps. You will notice that I use the term heps instead of hips, the reason for this is because it is simply the way I've been taught and both are acceptable terms for the fruit that roses produce. Heps tends to be a term used by the older generation" I resemble those last few words and I have always used heps. Most of my Roses will only flower once so I'll leave them on to add winter colour and perhaps plant a seed or two, but it's a personal thing.
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Post by fozzie on Aug 20, 2016 10:51:14 GMT
Whilst discussing "terminology". All roses are thornless! Mainly because they have "prickles" not "thorns" Botanically speaking. But I guess thorns sound better in verse, poems and non botanical books! (me being old again)
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Post by Rosefriend on Aug 20, 2016 11:01:40 GMT
Whilst discussing "terminology". All roses are thornless! Mainly because they have "prickles" not "thorns" Botanically speaking. But I guess thorns sound better in verse, poems and non botanical books! (me being old again) Made me laugh fozzie, - when I was learning about Roses, a good friend and gardener (taught me a lot) said that if he ever caught me saying that Roses have Dornen (thorns) and not Stacheln (prickles) there would be trouble .... |
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Post by Barbara on Aug 20, 2016 11:14:34 GMT
Thanks fozzie, I would like a rose on the patio in a big pot, it is north facing but not shady, just not in the sun till evening when the sun is setting over heaton park, what would you and Rosefriend, recommend, it has to be scented. |
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Post by fozzie on Aug 20, 2016 19:22:09 GMT
Rosefriend, Sie müssen so alt mir sein he he..... that's very rude of me.. Es tut leid. No more without more lessons! Barbara, These are some on my container list I would suggest a pot some 24 inch high minimum and al least 22 inches across The plants are: Rose felicia (Hybrid Musk) Rose Nuits de Young (Moss) Rose Mme Hardy (Damask) Rose Blanc Double de Coubert (Rugosa) and if you want a Species try R.virginiana. If you want to use smaller containers I'll find some for pots that are at least 16 inches high and across.
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Post by andy on Aug 21, 2016 7:54:20 GMT
Going to be looking to plant a new bed this winter. It'll be about 10m long x 60cm wide.
Need some recommendations for decent roses.
The criteria is.....MUST be strongly scented, As drought and disease resistant as possible, floribunda, no taller then 4 foot.
Any colour except yellow as i already have that next to the planned bed.
One that came up was 'Boscobel' so that's the sort of thing.
Scent is probably the clincher with this.
Cheers
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Post by Rosefriend on Aug 21, 2016 8:43:03 GMT
fozzie, has named old Roses Barbara, - only flowering once - something tells me that you want a modern rose, as andy, or would you both like to try something different?? Boscopel is a DA rose isn't it?? Perhaps Ron has some good ideas as well...
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Post by Ron on Aug 21, 2016 8:50:40 GMT
A floribunda of unusual colour, highly fragrant and disease resistant, Copper Delight (available in UK from RV Roger). It was one I lost on my original house move unfortunately. I do have a database with the roses I used to grow, I'll take a look through it.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 21, 2016 8:59:17 GMT
Thanks Barbara , fozzie , Rosefriend , andy , Ron , the pot I was going to use is terra cotta 15'' across, and 10'' deep, is now a good time for planting ?. as you can see I'm not 'up' on roses. |
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Post by Ron on Aug 21, 2016 9:22:31 GMT
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Post by Ron on Aug 21, 2016 9:52:57 GMT
Thanks Barbara , fozzie , Rosefriend , andy , Ron , the pot I was going to use is terra cotta 15'' across, and 10'' deep, is now a good time for planting ?. as you can see I'm not 'up' on roses. If you buy your rose potted, Barbara , you can theoretically plant it anytime as long as the conditions are right, like weather and soil. The bare root season is almost here though (late Oct onwards) and you might be best waiting for it (you can order now, they will dispatch in season, early ordering is best as there is often a queue of orders to go out). When you buy a potted rose it's not usually pot grown. It's been lifted from a field and planted in a pot. Ideally it needs to be left in the pot for a few weeks before planting into it's final position. When you buy bare root plants they are dormant, they will take a lot more mistreatment (unintentional, of course) up to and including the planting process. Bare root are cheaper too. I can't see any benefit to buying potted at this time of year so I would plant Oct to Nov if you have the plant by then (order now if by mail order or get in early at your GC). Bare root roses are planted during the dormant season then, have time to establish before bursting into life as the new growing season begins. Looked after properly they'll give you years of pleasure. I don't know if others have a view on this but personally I wouldn't grow roses in terracotta pots, I don't think they do well. Roses are hungry plants that need feeding regularly. They need watering well but preferably not on the leaves, rather try to wet the soil. Terracotta dries out quickly, I've always found it gets too dry too quickly. All of mine have been in plastic which is cheap and relatively maintenance free. If you drill holes for drainage and use a proper shrub/rose compost over a layer of stones or gravel for drainage, you should be fine. I would go for a pot up to 50cm (20") diameter by about 40cm (16") high such as this www.plasticboxshop.co.uk/home-storage-c1/garden-and-outdoor-plastics-c6/plastic-garden-pots-and-plastic-saucers-c59/50cm-large-round-plastic-plant-pot-vista-p1355 for a 90cm (3 ft) by 75cm (2.5 ft) floribunda like 'Angela'. You might grow a smaller rose in your pot, I suspect it would have to be fed and watered more, I really don't know about that sorry. |
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Post by Ron on Aug 21, 2016 10:13:14 GMT
Ha, that post changed a few times, Barbara, never done so many revisions! Kept thinking of something else  |
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Post by fozzie on Aug 21, 2016 11:59:18 GMT
Barbara, Rosefriend, Ron, I can do modern and even HT (spit). These are also on my container list Dainty Bess (1925) Ellen Willmott (1895) Ellen Willmott (1925) the 1925 would be my first choice. And White Wings (1947). ALL are HT (spit). I can not remember the last time I bought a container plant most of mine will be bare root. As Ron, says these will be lifted around Nov weather permitting and normally delivered Dec - Feb. My regime for the Roses in pots is feed twice a year Spring and late Summer change the top 2 - 3 inches of compost every other year (Autumn) plus a top dressing at this time. Watering in Summer is Day 1 water Day 2 test soil, if damp at 2 inches leave alone Day 3 water. As I said the smallest pot I use is 16" x 16". But the Japanese seem to do well at Bonsai so put any of those above in your pot and give it a go! you may be surprised! With your pot, water the pot at the same time as plant and use a pot stand as an additional reservoir.
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Post by Rosefriend on Aug 21, 2016 12:27:41 GMT
Barbara, Rosefriend, Ron, I can do modern and even HT (spit). These are also on my container list Dainty Bess (1925) Ellen Willmott (1895) Ellen Willmott (1925) the 1925 would be my first choice. And White Wings (1947). ALL are HT (spit). I can not remember the last time I bought a container plant most of mine will be bare root. As Ron, says these will be lifted around Nov weather permitting and normally delivered Dec - Feb. My regime for the Roses in pots is feed twice a year Spring and late Summer change the top 2 - 3 inches of compost every other year (Autumn) plus a top dressing at this time. Watering in Summer is Day 1 water Day 2 test soil, if damp at 2 inches leave alone Day 3 water. As I said the smallest pot I use is 16" x 16". But the Japanese seem to do well at Bonsai so put any of those above in your pot and give it a go! you may be surprised! With your pot, water the pot at the same time as plant and use a pot stand as an additional reservoir. Oh the goodolddays fozzie, - pleased to leave the rose questions in the capable hands of you and Ron,- perhaps I can get on with other things, lovely people...I can always learn a thing or two from you both!!!! |
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Post by fozzie on Aug 21, 2016 12:32:18 GMT
Barbara, Just found two pots in garden roughly same size as yours so will be ordering Ellen (1925) and Bess. Also forgot to mention that I treat the pots like hanging baskets and put a large saucer or dessert bowl in the bottom sitting on top of drainage gravel.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 21, 2016 13:25:04 GMT
I like the look of 'Barbara Stack, in the list Ron, put there, please will you explain HT, fozzie, and why you dislike it, just off to look at Bess, and Ellen. |
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Post by Ron on Aug 21, 2016 16:05:53 GMT
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Post by Ron on Aug 21, 2016 16:13:20 GMT
'Requires Spring Protection' in the above refers to covering new growth overnight in spring when frost is forecast. These are liable to 'die back' if nipped by spring frosts.
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Post by fozzie on Aug 21, 2016 23:18:24 GMT
Barbara, You'll be sorry! I have thing about flowers in general and Roses in particular that we have seen fit to "improve". We have taken plants similar to R.arvensis, our native Dog Rose, which is pretty Rose with a 4/5 petal flower, thereby giving easy access for insects to perform their function. (I like honey) Our early improvements gave us something like La Reine which has 70 - 80 petals where even I have difficulty reaching stamen and stigma let alone the insects. (There go your fertile seeds) We then decide that whoever designed these Rose things had no idea about flowering periods, We now have plants that knacker themselves by flowering longer than the great designer built them for. We then have to spend time and money feeding them, so they can do it all over again! The epitome of this is our modern Hybrid Tea (****) where we have even set down rules regarding shape and size of bud and flower, number of petals, length of stems, so the romantics can have long stemmed red Roses, reducing the prickles to zero, so as not to hurt anyone. I always cite HT(****) but you could also cite cluster Roses small and large. People moan about the kennel club and its rules, what about the RS and its rules. I do not understand why nature did not know that we preferred the modified Roses before she made the ones I love 4 or 5 petals and anything up to 15 leaves on a leaf stalk, Rosefriend, laughed because she is fully aware of my relationship with HT(****). Rant over, until button pushed again.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 22, 2016 8:21:09 GMT
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Post by fozzie on Aug 22, 2016 8:38:22 GMT
Barbara, to be fair, on this "perpetual" flowering thing, mother nature did it first albeit by accident! Then we decided to impose it upon species that had previously shown no inclination to want flower all Summer. So I still blame us!
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Post by Ron on Aug 22, 2016 11:09:06 GMT
... and all we need now, fozzie, is a blue one ... |
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Post by fozzie on Aug 22, 2016 11:17:24 GMT
Not wishing to be rude Ron ,! But you know what you can do with that particular Holy Grail. Must be nearly as attractive as a black tulip! attempts so far Blue Moon, Blue for you, Blue Bayou and R. veilchenblau. and all for the sake of profit. |
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Post by Ron on Aug 22, 2016 11:22:43 GMT
Rant over, until button pushed again. Not wishing to be rude Ron,! You're not being rude at all, fozzie, think I might just have touched the button  |
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Post by fozzie on Aug 22, 2016 11:36:37 GMT
Barbara, Putting my prejudice to one side here is yet another list for you. Horstmanns Rosenrelli, Gruss an Aachen, Mrs Oakley Fisher, Pearl D'Or, Miss Edith Cavell,Tuscany Superb, Baby Faurax, Cecile Brunner and The Fairy, You must be on Rose overload by now so no more from me. Some of these are on my wish list, even though the dreaded HT(spit) is amongst them.
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Post by Ron on Aug 22, 2016 11:39:25 GMT
Seriously though, in my opinion, modern roses are one of the greatest achievements of garden evolution thanks to a succession of dedicated breeders and plantsmen(/women). Perpetual or repeat flowering, disease resistance, fragrance, they may need feeding, may be better if subjected to a spraying regime which of course doesn't suit everybody, but it is all worth it. There are extremes in all choices and the middle ground suits many. You can grow wild flowers and be overrun with seeds or hybrids which don't come true to seed if they have any at all, or pick from all of the possibilities out there, those that offer the qualities you want in exchange for the effort you are willing to put in.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 22, 2016 11:42:48 GMT
I just wanted a nice scented rose in a pot on the patio for next spring.  |
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Post by Barbara on Aug 22, 2016 11:44:17 GMT
Being a M. city supporter blue moon sounds good.
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Post by Ron on Aug 22, 2016 11:46:18 GMT
attempts so far Blue Moon, Blue for you, Blue Bayou and R. veilchenblau. and all for the sake of profit. I do like Blue for You, fozzie, it's an unusual plant with paper like flowers. Rhapsody in Blue is the nearest I've seen to blue when it fades, it's very much a purple until then. They are nice roses though I admit the 'blue' part in the naming is to appeal to the fashionistas. |
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