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Post by Rosefriend on Aug 22, 2016 11:50:47 GMT
Rant over, until button pushed again. Not wishing to be rude Ron,! You're not being rude at all, fozzie, think I might just have touched the button Hahahahaha - I remember now that Blue roses are not your thing fozzie, nor mine actually - I do hope "they" never manage to breed a really true blue rose - certainly the efforts up to now are anything but "pure blue"!! I find it bad enough having Phalaenopsis orchids dyed blue and Heathers in blue, orange, yellow - oh yes plus glitter... Blue Moon Barbara, - well, it is what I call a funeral rose - I dislike it totally but thank heavens we are all different...it is a light mauve actually... I shall be chuckling all afternoon now !!
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Post by Barbara on Aug 22, 2016 12:03:01 GMT
If it ever stops raining I'll go to J Parkers and see for myself what looks good.
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Post by Ron on Aug 22, 2016 12:04:26 GMT
I just wanted a nice scented rose in a pot on the patio for next spring. I think I'll get off my pedestal and back to the point of the thread, sorry Barbara ! Being a M. city supporter blue moon sounds good. I don't think a hybrid tea is the best idea for a single specimen rose in a pot. The flowers tend to be of a superior form but there often aren't many of them and Blue Moon is particularly like that. It might be easier to just recommend one rose that would give you excellent colour, fragrance and resistance to disease that is readily available in the UK, and that would be 'Sheila's Perfume'.
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Post by fozzie on Aug 22, 2016 15:01:41 GMT
I just wanted a nice scented rose in a pot on the patio for next spring. Barbara, he he. What is a nice Lancastrian lass like yourself getting involved with that rough game when Sale is just up the road. I did say no more list.. so no more list
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Post by Barbara on Aug 23, 2016 10:19:27 GMT
It was a man who led me astray as usual fozzie, he was called Colin Bell. thanks all for your input.
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Post by fozzie on Aug 23, 2016 16:10:51 GMT
It was a man who led me astray as usual fozzie , he was called Colin Bell. thanks all for your input. Barbara, Ah Nijinsky, he is older than me (2 month), I guess you met Allison then? No probs re input I'll post a picture of my "Roses in Pots" bed when they are in bloom next. Have fun choosing. I was getting confused and I sort of knew what I was talking about maybe.
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Post by Ron on Aug 23, 2016 16:11:46 GMT
Barbara, way back in 1967 my uncle who was a fan took me to a Stoke City game. I watched them draw 1 - 1 with Manchester United, amazed by the skills of George Best, and much to my uncle's annoyance supported United ever after.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 23, 2016 19:38:00 GMT
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Post by Barbara on Aug 23, 2016 19:40:41 GMT
I sat near Alison at Villas ground, my youngest son asked him for his autograph, he declined, never a favourite after that,
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Post by Ron on Aug 24, 2016 8:25:21 GMT
I sat near Alison at Villas ground, my youngest son asked him for his autograph, he declined, never a favourite after that, Yes, he went the wrong way in the end, Barbara, a shame. I used to travel home and away late 60s and 70s until money became tight. Favourite team was from the Tommy Docherty era, before the big time. I saw your friend Colin Bell play though, and Mike Summerbee, Francis Lee, Rodney Marsh, Peter Barnes, Joe Royle, Asa Hartford and even remember that goal from Brian Kidd!
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Post by fozzie on Aug 24, 2016 21:24:53 GMT
I sometimes sits and looks at me little Roses, in particular Belle de Crecy snuggling up to Mme Hardy for support and I thinks are those really what MM Roeser and Hardy had in mind, when they had the paint brushes in their hand. or are they even close. If I could ask them I suspect I may well get a “Gallic shrug”. They would have had no idea of the outcome, they may well have had an inclination and wish list, based on the parentage. So these and maybe 99% of other roses you buy are all surprises. Mostly pleasant, to the breeder and I wonder how many Ugly Ducklings and potential Swans end/ended up on the compost …..thousands if not millions!
Our presnt day growers/breeders are probably no better, they may be better educated, thanks to Mendel in how and why. But engineering..... possibly not. I doubt even the UK big boys (Austin/Beale) have the resouces or inclination to isolate genomes.
Davids (Austin) pleasant surprise was Constance Spry one of numerous seedlings!
Peter (Beale) was surprises by Anna Pavlova and James Mason.
The upside of all this is that having looked at Mme Hardy and Belle. I feel better and in concert with those other guys cos I have no idea with my seedlings. (still hard to throw the ugly ducklings away, one might be a swan!)
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Post by Barbara on Aug 26, 2016 11:37:02 GMT
In the end it wasn't my decision, youngest Grandson Jack chose ''Dotty Dot'' a little yellow rose.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 26, 2016 12:43:54 GMT
Edit, Dolly Dot. not Dotty.
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Post by Rosefriend on Aug 26, 2016 12:49:32 GMT
Edit, Dolly Dot. not Dotty. Pleased you said that Barbara, - Mr Google couldn't find a rose with the name of Dotty Dot anywhere - hahahaha!!
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Post by fozzie on Aug 26, 2016 18:50:14 GMT
Well done Jack! Good decision. Little ones are always best at choosing things.
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Post by Barbara on Aug 30, 2016 10:49:55 GMT
Here she is in her new home, do I feed her now,?
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Post by fozzie on Aug 30, 2016 21:50:25 GMT
Barbara, A little Blood, Fish and Bone will not go amiss, will help her settle into her new home. Scatter on to the compost, light "rake" with hand trowel and water in. Up in't frozen North I would give her a fleece coat for her first Winter. Give the November prune a miss (but stick a couple of garlic cloves in with her, Oct/Nov)). Wait till February for first prune and then, this time, just remove the three D's (Dead, Diseased and Damaged) at the same time give her a Spring top dressing you could use BFB again, I tend to use BFB and Calcified Seaweed
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Post by fozzie on Sept 3, 2016 22:11:17 GMT
This is Ali. Her full name is Alister Stella Gray. We have been good friends for many a year (35ish). We have lived together in several properties in different regions of the country, although if honest, I do not think she was totally happy in Lancashire. She seems happy in Wiltshire, even though her toes are in a 70 litre pot! First year here and she's still flowering. Like all good friends, we accept each others shortcomings. She lets me rambling on and on without complaint. I have got used to and am now pleased to see her silly high centred bud and near double (upto 40 petal) flower Techy bit (optional) Short version. She is classed as a Noisette (looking at her and her parents I think she is a Climbing Tea!) Longer but still abridged version. (even more optional, mandatory for insomniacs) The Noisette came from a Carolina rice farmer crossing the Old Musk with Parsons Pink China. (First use of chinese genes with western Roses). He got the China pollen from the brothers Noisette of Charlston et Paris. The resulting Champneys Rose was, a climber with an open habit and large clusters of double pink flowers. The brother Noisette, Philippe, in Charleston did a selfie on the hybrid and sent the resulting offspring to the brother Noisette, Louis, in Paris, who introduced the plant as Blush Noisette. (first of the French Noisette class) A more compact climber with white/blush double flowers in clusters. Ah I hear you say but your Ali is yellow and yes she is. There was little change in the class until the search for a yellow started. The use of Parks's New Yellow China, as a parent. (itself thought to be a hybrid and more like a Tea than a China) had a big impact. minor understatement. Not only a yellow Noisette but a yellow Tea was the result. There have been so many crosses between first (1800ish) and Ali (1894) that most of the Noisette characters have been diluted and transformed later Noisettes into clinbing Teas. Her immediate parents are : William Allen Richardson (yellow Noisette) x Madame Pierre Guillot (yellow Tea). You only have to look at her buds, the fact she carries her blooms singly and her yellow colouring. She has got to be a Tea. Her delicate fragrance and the fact she fades to a blush/white (I know the feeling) is possibly her last remnant of Noisette Either way, who cares, she is still a dear friend.
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Post by fozzie on Sept 14, 2016 18:55:57 GMT
Also ran's still hanging on. I can see me waiting to see what damage Jack Frost can wreak before condemning them to the compost heap
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Post by fozzie on Sept 15, 2016 18:28:52 GMT
This La Reine, in flower again. She is a Hybrid Perpetual. HPs are where that other lot get their continual flowering gene from. Whilst looking at the results of a leaf cutter, hope its a bee, I noticed signs of Black Spot on leaves that are still on the plant and those that have fallen. I will still say this, even at the risk of being shouted at, re grandmothers and eggs. You must destroy (burn or put in household waste) all contaminated leaves. The spores will overwinter on the leaves. DO NOT put them in your compost.
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 15, 2016 18:55:41 GMT
I noticed signs of Black Spot on leaves that are still on the plant and those that have fallen. I will still say this, even at the risk of being shouted at, re grandmothers and eggs. You must destroy (burn or put in household waste) all contaminated leaves. The spores will overwinter on the leaves. DO NOT put them in your compost. Good reminder fozzie, - I was only thinking about that today - I seem to have a fair amount this year...!!
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Post by Ladygardener on Sept 16, 2016 5:59:38 GMT
I think the muggy weather has contributed to all these fungal infections, good reminder fozzie,.
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Post by Tig on Sept 16, 2016 15:21:28 GMT
And beware of these little nasties, wondered why three of my roses were reduced to bare stems, now I know!
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Post by Rosefriend on Sept 16, 2016 16:13:51 GMT
And beware of these little nasties, wondered why three of my roses were reduced to bare stems, now I know! Caterpillar acrobats - sorry what they have done but a great shot Tig,
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Post by Ladygardener on Sept 19, 2016 5:57:17 GMT
Rose Sawfly, I've just been chatting to Missredhead about them. The one to the left looks more like the other pics of them I've seen. Great shot Tig.
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Post by Tig on Sept 19, 2016 13:39:27 GMT
The one on the left was an adult LG, the one in the centre was newly emerged - but led a very short life! Thanks for the noms, even if the subject matter is vile
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Post by fozzie on Sept 25, 2016 18:01:24 GMT
That "unknown" Rose I have has confounded me again! About a month ago she threw out a side shoot ,from low down, just above the union. Nothing unusual yet. It has grown to be twice the height of the existing shoots/stems at approx 4'. Up to now she has produce a single flower per stem has produced a candelabra cluster of 12 buds! If we see them all in flower..... well how nice that would be! The other discovery is that she is still in a 2lt pot as purchased. There are two possible reasons 1) lazy gardening! or 2) I have inherited Honey Fungus so not Rose friendly and leaving her in the pot may have been a misguided way of trying to protect her. The HF may also explain the strange behavior. It could be it's "Swan Song" Ali is still showing off!
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Post by Barbara on Sept 28, 2016 12:59:34 GMT
Can I put well rotted manure around my roses now, or should I wait till spring.?
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Post by fozzie on Sept 29, 2016 17:13:31 GMT
Barbara, I would not feed till Spring. Feeding them now will only encourage the little beauties to put on new growth, not a good idea as we are entering the realms of cold dark Winter months, After the Spring prune is a good time to add the manure mulch. If it is "Jacks" Rose then purchase a cheap bucket (£1 B&Q) put in a small amount (border spade) and top up with water, store well away from house and use to water in Fish Blood and Bone top dressing in Spring. Don't forget the fleece jacket, for the pot if nothing else, to help keep compost/soil and roots frost free.
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Post by Barbara on Sept 30, 2016 8:43:34 GMT
I have a ton of the stuff fozzie , at the allotment, I'll wait till spring to bring it home then, it was for the roses in the ground I was asking, schoolgirl I bought a month ago , and the white climber I have called iceberg, I think that's slowly leaving this mortal coil as all it's leaves keep dropping off, Thanks for the reply again. BTW I have bubble wrap for Jacks rose, That should be OK .
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