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Post by fozzie on Oct 4, 2016 10:24:55 GMT
Auricula, No questions are stupid, nor those asking! They are a tool for learning and acquiring information/knowledge, so ask away! I look forward to our journey through your Sons garden. That thingy that is in bud/flower is it a climby thingy or a bordery thingy? I try not to make assumption but am I correct in assuming your Son is East of you or if not does he have a water garden?
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Post by Tig on Oct 4, 2016 11:37:18 GMT
Thanks for that, I may end up posting photos if I can't decide how much to cut off to get them deep enough without digging a crater sized hole! They are indeed coming from Peter Beales fozzie, although I doubt they would be your choice Scentimental, Midnight Blue and Hot Chocolate. The first two because they have a strong fragrance, and I mostly buy for scent now, the last one as I've admired others specimens and it seems to be quite robust and lightly fragrant.
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Post by Ron on Oct 4, 2016 11:59:34 GMT
I go for scent too, Tig, and secondly colour. I almost always buy modern roses, and I'm waiting for some bare root to arrive myself, including Fragrant Cloud, Chartreuse de Parme, Compassion and Zephirine Drouhin. All are strongly scented.
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Post by fozzie on Oct 4, 2016 13:14:05 GMT
Your right Tig, not me. Did you know they all come from the same American nursery or was that pure coincidence? Young Mr Beale sometimes sends out "instructions" with bit on root pruning. Am happy to help via visuals. Hey Ron, old Zeph eh! She can be a BIG girl 12+ feet tall and 8+feet wide. Possibly the most popular Bourbon lovely Damask scent, cerise-pink flowers and very few prickles. Watch out for Mildew! Will you grow her as climber or shrub?
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Post by Ron on Oct 4, 2016 14:07:18 GMT
Probably a climber, fozzie, as I've also got Iceberg and they might complement each other.
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Post by Tig on Oct 4, 2016 15:42:21 GMT
Your right Tig , not me. Did you know they all come from the same American nursery or was that pure coincidence? Young Mr Beale sometimes sends out "instructions" with bit on root pruning. Am happy to help via visuals. Pure coincidence fozzie. I never pay much attention to who bred them, just go for what I fancy.
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Post by Ron on Oct 4, 2016 16:08:41 GMT
fozzie , Paul Zimmerman, when he used to run Ashdown Roses, had an agreement with the late Peter Beales whereby they were going to import a lot of American roses into the UK, but unfortunately it never happened as he (Paul, now with Heirloom Roses) went out of business. Is Richard Beales now importing them?
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Post by Ron on Oct 4, 2016 16:44:08 GMT
I'll be planting it (and Iceberg) by the fence to the field. As long as I keep the soil damp and prune to keep air circulation going, with it being so open Hopefully it will be all right.
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Post by fozzie on Oct 4, 2016 17:49:34 GMT
Ron, I have no idea about young Mr Beales commercial arrangements with American Rose wholesales. I just noticed that all of young Tigs selection where produced by Tom Carruth, whom I think runs Weeks Roses. Not sure if Beales have an arrangement with Carruth/Weeks by they are sold on behalf of Peter Beales Roses. Iceberg and Zeph will go well together but keep your eye her she can be a brute. Have a look at Nevada and or Fruhlingsgold to sit between them.
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Post by Ron on Oct 4, 2016 22:06:34 GMT
Ron , I have no idea about young Mr Beales commercial arrangements with American Rose wholesales. I just noticed that all of young Tigs selection where produced by Tom Carruth, whom I think runs Weeks Roses. Not sure if Beales have an arrangement with Carruth/Weeks by they are sold on behalf of Peter Beales Roses. Iceberg and Zeph will go well together but keep your eye her she can be a brute. Have a look at Nevada and or Fruhlingsgold to sit between them. I'll do that, fozzie, thanks. Seem to remember looking at Fruhlingsgold before and liking it.
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Post by Auricula on Oct 5, 2016 8:30:15 GMT
I'll be back for advice soon as my poorly computer has been fixed. Thanks in advance
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Post by Ron on Oct 5, 2016 9:06:21 GMT
fozzie , I liked your idea of having something to sit between Iceberg and Zeph but looked for something that would contrast with the deep pink and white colours to bring them together. I have never grown a once flowering rose before but this time have decided to go for it though it's a good job that the fence is long because it's another big one! Blairii No 2. There is over 80 feet of fence to cover so I should be able to train them along it. Just one question: the fence is 6 feet high, how many canes would you train laterally to get the best result? 3 perhaps, at 2, 4 and 6 feet?
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Post by fozzie on Oct 5, 2016 11:11:12 GMT
Ron, You do pick 'em, that's another Bourbon and another brute. She will easily get to over twice the height of your fence, if you let her! I tend to start the laterals as low as possible and then approx every 18" to 2 foot. Will you be using the same wire supports for all three? You are probably ahead of me in this, I am sure you are spacing them so they overlap. Not sure how deep your bed is but given room, me I would make room, I would put Constance Spry between Iceberg and Blair, then Maidens Blush (Great) between Blair and Zeph. On a Summers evening the fragrance would be something else! Again if it was me, I would be growing Clems (Viticella's) through all of them. Blair being a Bourbon will have, like Zeph, mildew issues. 80 foot, what could/would I do with 80 foot? Seeing, as you, I like brutes. Iwould look at some of these for a start. Madame d'Arblay, The Garland, Albertine, Paul's Himalayan Musk (possibly too big), Alberic Barbier, Bobby James, Adelaide d'Orleans. The list goes on... You will notice most are pale, perfect neutral backdrop for under planting and border plants. Sadly not my fence, so it's all over to you Ron.
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Post by Ron on Oct 5, 2016 11:40:48 GMT
I'll have to give it some thought, fozzie, as although I have 80ft of fence (87' to be precise), I don't have too much space to come out from it. I also have another brute to grow along the fence, Cematis montana 'Elizabeth'. I will look though and see if I can jig things around a bit.
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Post by fozzie on Oct 5, 2016 12:01:35 GMT
Ron, Ignore me, I get carried away, some say should be! It's your plot you do your own thing. I like C.m.Elizabeth, make sure she reaches Zeph. I'm doing it again. Sorry!
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Post by Ron on Oct 5, 2016 12:07:43 GMT
Ron , Ignore me, I get carried away, some say should be! It's your plot you do your own thing. I like C.m.Elizabeth, make sure she reaches Zeph. I'm doing it again. Sorry! Not a problem, fozzie , I appreciate your suggestions. Great Maiden's Blush is def a possibility, could do with one similar but with more pink in it. Was looking at Mary Rose, maybe ...
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Post by fozzie on Oct 5, 2016 12:23:31 GMT
or even Koenigin von Danemarck. Either would fit Ron,
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Post by Ron on Oct 5, 2016 13:22:08 GMT
or even Koenigin von Danemarck. Either would fit Ron , Again a once flowering variety but I've ordered it from Beales so that will be the second one, changed my views after this little exchange! Also Great Maiden's Blush on the same order. Think that will do now Iceberg, Zeph, Blairii, G Maiden's Blush and K von Danemarck (with the clem too), should be a sight to see in midsummer.
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Post by fozzie on Oct 5, 2016 14:38:52 GMT
Ron, You'll not be disappointed, it will look a picture. It may take a little time. Hope I have not made you spend all your pocket money! . I am sure you'll post the odd picture or two
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Post by Ron on Oct 5, 2016 15:54:49 GMT
Ron , You'll not be disappointed, it will look a picture. It may take a little time. Hope I have not made you spend all your pocket money! . I am sure you'll post the odd picture or two Money well spent, fozzie, and of course photos will follow. I could keep a pictorial record of it's development. Before and after pictures with a lot of betweens as well. Thanks again for your input, maybe I should honour you with an ongoing title for the project, 'Fozzie's Fence'!
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Post by Ron on Oct 10, 2016 16:31:40 GMT
fozzie, bad news, I'm afraid. I've got carried away and had to settle myself down and work out just what I can fit in and what I can't, having got all sorts of projects on the go and found I've overstretched myself... I've had to cancel the roses order.
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Post by fozzie on Oct 10, 2016 21:49:37 GMT
Fact of life Ron, I do it all the time. Comes with owning a 17th Century G2 listed cottage. Scaled down to three new plants this year.
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Post by fozzie on Oct 15, 2016 18:23:44 GMT
One out, twelve to go! Not sure if we will make it. But I have the fleece at the ready to try and help.
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Post by Ron on Oct 16, 2016 1:33:47 GMT
Thats a healthy rose, fozzie , obviously well cared for
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Post by fozzie on Oct 31, 2016 22:35:37 GMT
The first bloom has only just dropped it's petals.. the rest are on their way. Still have the fleece ready but judging from from the forecast may not be required! Looks like still be in shorts till December.
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Post by Ron on Nov 1, 2016 8:13:28 GMT
It's surprising how much our weather is affected by events a long way from us. The long range outlook for November was very wet until October hurricanes Nicole and Matthew pushed the jet stream north into the Arctic taking the rain bearing troughs with it and causing high pressure to form over Scandinavia blocking the westerly winds for much of the UK. We have them to thank for the mild, largely dry weather. It may not last though, watch out on Saturday, forecast cold and wet!
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Post by fozzie on Sept 18, 2017 22:39:09 GMT
Anyone out there growing Rosa sericea subsp. omeiensis f. pteracantha ? Mine, this year, has thrown up a single shoot currently 6' 6" and still growing !!
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Post by Ron on Sept 19, 2017 19:22:54 GMT
Hi fozzie, it's been a while but I'm finally ready to get that fence decorated. Zeph, Blairii No 2 and The Garland between them.
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Post by fozzie on Sept 20, 2017 14:43:16 GMT
Good choice Ron, sounds like something I would do! You can not go wrong 2 bourbons giving damask scent with a good shade of pink and a moschata/multiflora hybrid giving musk with a softer pink. Look around for bare root plants and remember horizontal training is a must If, as you say, you are putting Garland in the middle space the Bourbons about 6-7 foot to left and right of her and let them bleed into each other for about a foot or so. I love plants overlapping it increases their impact so I would go for 5-6 ft it may take a year or two...but you're not going anywhere! My book says Garland has a mild musk scent. I grow R.moschata, which is definitely NOT mild nor is R.multiflora. So let's hope the book is wrong, I have never grown her so do not know. The "deep" pink flowers growing into the "soft" pink should look stunning and vice versa between them they will give you approx 18-20 ft of run, how lovely. Zeph will normally flower in flushes throughout the Summer, whilst the other two will flower once, June or July. This may have a bearing on the planting configuration you choose.
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Post by Ron on Sept 21, 2017 1:45:07 GMT
Thanks for the advice, fozzie, I've gone for summer flowering on the two because I didn't fancy the dead heading and they are better for wildlife.
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