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Post by purplejulia on Jun 1, 2008 15:53:56 GMT
Thanks Fozzie and Chuckles for your replies. I am not so much squeamish about the slimy things but it is just a bore when you have a bed full of different varieties of roses to contend with. Are they all going to be infected? I have about nine altogether.
A few days ago I had a look in a couple of garden centres and found something from Growing Success called Shrub and Flower Bug Killer. I didn't want to use insecticides if I could help it so this is an organic product. It claims to kill bugs and eggs but doesn't specifically mention Sawfly. It is also does not harm children or pets.
PJ
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Post by Chuckles on Jun 3, 2008 11:50:31 GMT
I have this rose called Ruby Wedding and it's just come into flower  I love the darkness of the petals but it is quite an odd looking sort of flower, it looks as if it never blooms properly sort of stunted  It's always looked like this so I decided to have a look on the internet and have not found one photo that looks like mine. Does anyone else have this rose or shine any light on how it should look please. |
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Post by Ruthie on Jun 3, 2008 18:54:22 GMT
Sorry Chucks, can't answer your question, but, looking at this thread made me think..............Does anyone else think roses are getting earlier and earlier? I'm sure my climbers were never in flower early June but some are and the ramblers are imminent too.
We usually go on holiday around our wedding anniverary, 23rd June, and usually miss the rose, 'Goldfinch' at it's best. This year we're going on holiday earlier than usual, this W/E in fact, and I note that 'Goldfinch' is about to burst into bloom. Does this mean it always flowers its best while we're away (whatever the date) or is it earlier than usual?
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 4, 2008 4:15:43 GMT
I think it is inevitable that as winters become warmer the roses will start flowering earlier. I have had roses out as early as the end of April and ramblers in early May - that was after a very mild winter and an early prune from me.
I think this year that the Roses would have been even earlier had we not had the late frost that we all got.
I get the feeling that we cannot depend on things flowering exactly when they should these days... there are too many deciding factors...like you going away SR - hope you still see them whilst they are in their prime.
RF
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Post by isabella on Jun 5, 2008 21:30:31 GMT
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 6, 2008 4:05:17 GMT
I have this rose called Ruby Wedding and it's just come into flower I love the darkness of the petals but it is quite an odd looking sort of flower, it looks as if it never blooms properly sort of stunted It's always looked like this so I decided to have a look on the internet and have not found one photo that looks like mine. Does anyone else have this rose or shine any light on how it should look please. I have been thinking about this a lot and can only hope that Foz has an idea as all I can come up with is this.... The obvious and easiest answer is that there was a label switch and it isn't Ruby Wedding. Then there is the possibility that the first flowers on a rose can be deformed and stunted in differing ways due to weather, insects etc but if it carries on throughout the year it can be a gene defect. Also the possibility of a soil problem.... It is still a lovely rose Chuckles and just like we humans, roses don't have to be perfect to be beautiful. RF |
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Post by fozzie on Jun 15, 2008 21:22:13 GMT
I have this rose called Ruby Wedding and it's just come into flower I love the darkness of the petals but it is quite an odd looking sort of flower, it looks as if it never blooms properly sort of stunted It's always looked like this so I decided to have a look on the internet and have not found one photo that looks like mine. Does anyone else have this rose or shine any light on how it should look please. BB, darling. What have you done it is a HT and supposed to look like this.  The closest I can get to yours is a Moss but yours is not a Moss. The soil and or weather conditions ( heat/cold) will play a big part. Or you may have a "throwback" or gene mutant. One of her parents is a seedling so have no idea of colour or type. As RF said sometimes its the first blooms that are distorted and those little green blighters have been know to distort blooms. But if its always been like that. Perhaps thats how it wants to be! Hope like in my garden the ladybirds have gorged themselves, ably assisted by your finger and thumb! Fxx |
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Post by blodau on Jun 18, 2008 7:17:00 GMT
Hi. I've planted some Queen of Swedan in my front garden and would like to plant some hardy geraniums in between. I've been told that roses don't like having their roots interfered with and prefer bare earth. The trouble is, as you know, bare earth doesn't stay bare. Part of the reason for wanting to plant the geraniums is to cut down on the weeding and also because I don't really like seeing bare earth. Any comments gratefully received. Blod  |
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Post by Weeterrier on Jun 18, 2008 8:51:00 GMT
I have plants under my roses, always have done. Small Geraniums are often recommended . I have Viola cornuta under mine. I don't think it would matter to the Roses if the underplanting was done with shallow rooted plants.
BTW, Queen of Denmark is heavenly, isn't it? If you like pink. Which I do. ;D
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Post by blodau on Jun 18, 2008 9:08:36 GMT
Thanks Wee T.
I'm having a pink moment in the front (sorry about the mix-up on the name - I know it's one of the Scandinavian countries I just always plump for the wrong one ;D).
Blod
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Post by oldmoleskins on Jun 18, 2008 17:47:08 GMT
I 'found' this today, a little past its best, in a neglected corner... anyone any idea what it might be?  OM. |
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Post by Ruthie on Jun 18, 2008 19:25:02 GMT
In my RHS Encyclopedia there are 2 possibilities (bearing in mind I can only really go by the ones where there are pictures). One is 'Tour de Malakoff'......centifolia rose of lax, spreading habit, with dark green leaves. Cupped, double, fragrant flowers, 12cm across, purplish magenta fading to greyish violet. Grows to 6' tall by 5' across (doesn't say whether it's old or modern.)
Other is 'William Lobb' syn. 'Duchesse d'Istrie'. Vigorous moss rose with arching, prickly stems.............don't think it had particularly prickly stems tho' did it?
Hope this helps but maybe Rosefriend will have the definitive answer.
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 19, 2008 6:14:42 GMT
Oo SR, you give me too much credit.. I will certainly have a look - I don't think it is a moss rose (these were originally a sport from the centifolia roses) as the bud isn't covered in the tell tale mossy type growth....my first guess would be a gallica rose....I have PM'd Foz with a couple of ideas and will get my books out and see what we can come up with.
RF
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Post by Dutchy on Jun 19, 2008 8:01:56 GMT
Here are some of the roses in flower at the moment in our garden  Isabella do you, by any chance, have the label/name of this one? It could be the one I have at MssK and Fozz has given me two possible names. If you can come up with the one it would be great. Tnx D |
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Post by Dutchy on Jun 19, 2008 8:05:15 GMT
I 'found' this today, a little past its best, in a neglected corner... anyone any idea what it might be? OM. Other than ab-fab you mean? ;D Does it get rosehips OM? Erm no rephrase is it grafted and if not has it got seeds? Please etc etc etc if it is not grafted and does get seeds. Hopefully yours and so on  |
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Post by oldmoleskins on Jun 19, 2008 8:26:25 GMT
I 'found' this today, a little past its best, in a neglected corner... anyone any idea what it might be? OM. Other than ab-fab you mean? ;D Does it get rosehips OM? Erm no rephrase is it grafted and if not has it got seeds? Please etc etc etc if it is not grafted and does get seeds. Hopefully yours and so on Ooooo, dunno... I'll have a look later, my impression is that it's oldish and so probably thickish - the graft may be disguised. I'll have a rummage... You like it then...? OM. |
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Post by oldmoleskins on Jun 19, 2008 18:28:40 GMT
Other than ab-fab you mean? ;D Does it get rosehips OM? Erm no rephrase is it grafted and if not has it got seeds? Please etc etc etc if it is not grafted and does get seeds. Hopefully yours and so on Well, it appears to be multi-stemmed from ground level or below, and so has no obvious graft. It is against a wall, so may well have been (is) a rambler. It has mainly a '3-bud to a stem' cluster format - but the occasional single bud on a stem tip too, and no, there are no hips yet. You want some hips then, Dutchy? OM. |
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Post by Dutchy on Jun 20, 2008 7:56:55 GMT
Never had any worth mentioning ;D So yes please.  Erm yes I would like to try and sow this rose. I never tried a rose before and it would be a nice trial for me. I do very much like this velvetty dark plum coloured rose. Is it a rambler? You should be able to tell if it is trying to leg it over your wall or not  |
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Post by oldmoleskins on Jun 20, 2008 8:14:29 GMT
Never had any worth mentioning ;D So yes please. Erm yes I would like to try and sow this rose. I never tried a rose before and it would be a nice trial for me. I do very much like this velvetty dark plum coloured rose. Is it a rambler? You should be able to tell if it is trying to leg it over your wall or not It's fallen away from the wall, and currently trying to leg it over my GH, which is why I noticed it - from the inside of the GH. To that extent it's a rambler, tho' what the difference is between a ramble and a climber I'm still not really sure, despite the best endeavours of some in these threads... When fully loaded and ripe with promise, I'll bung you some. OM |
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Post by Dutchy on Jun 20, 2008 18:03:15 GMT
Great.
Waiting to get bunged rose hips.
To me the differencence between a climber and a rambler is that a climber has a goal and once it reaches it it stops a rambler on the other hand is just rambling on and on and on and....
I suppose I am a rambler at times.
;D
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Post by fozzie on Jun 20, 2008 19:51:05 GMT
OM,
I agree with RF, from what I can see of that bud I would not be confident of her being a Moss. Having said that not all Moss have lots of Moss but William does so it is not William Lobb. As its trying to get its leg over your GH I assume it is fairly large say 8 foot or so. This would keep Tour in the running and rule out both RF and my first guess of Gallica. If they are in the running I would say rambler rather than climber. If your plant is not that tall then perhaps it is a Gallica
If it helps "Ramblers" and "Climbers" think "Shrub" and "Bush". There, confused you already "Shrubs" have come synonomous with Species and large plants derived from them, while "Bush" has come to mean highly inbred HT and Floribundas and the like. So for "Rambler" read species and closely related hybrids normally once flowering on last years wood. These can get anything from 12 foot to 40+ foot. "Climbers" are usally large flowered highly "hybridised"(?)and repeat flowering on current years growth. That should give you a clue on pruning activity! Having said all that, it is becoming harder to tell the difference with all this cross breeding going on.
So, is it once flowering, any moss on the buds, lots of prickles ,big or small I bet your sorry you started this.
I hope it is Tour cos she is a nice plant with exceptional colouring
Dutchy
When OM sends those seeds do not be surprised with what germinates its all a lottery, you could get any colour and definitely not the one you want and any type of growth ie very lax ground cover or 40 foot rambler, well maybe not that bad. But it is all in the lap of the Gods and insects
Fxx
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Post by oldmoleskins on Jun 21, 2008 6:13:57 GMT
Sorry, foz... "once flowering"? elucidate, please... as for the other stuff, I'll keep and eye on it and report back, perhaps with some more pics to give you guys a better chance...
Om.
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Post by fozzie on Jun 21, 2008 10:23:30 GMT
OM, Does she only flower once a year ie now for about 2-3 weeks then no more till next year? Or go on flowring through summer as HT or have another repeat flush later in year? I suspect it may be the former. Do the leaves look like these? shape, size relative to flower and colour, yes I know they are all green but some are lighter or darker  Foz |
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Post by Jasmine on Jun 22, 2008 11:22:53 GMT
  Is anyone able to name this mystery rose for me please? It is a David Austin rose and grows to about 4 to 5 feet tall. Its growth is very lax (I think that is the term!) and it can hardly hold its flower heads up after heavy rain (like last year). It has a gorgeous smell and I can rule out a few roses that it isn't (as I have them too and these photos don't really do this roses salmony pink colour justice). It isn't Gertrude Jekyll, Alan Titchmarsh, Eglantyne or Mortimer Sackler. The just opening bud on the very left of photo 2 is quite close to the true colour. Thanks! Jx |
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Post by Dutchy on Jun 24, 2008 8:11:44 GMT
Thanks Fozz, I will still take the gamble with those seeds when OM sends them.
As said, it is for fun. Who knows what the insects and gods of gardens created. ;D
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Post by fozzie on Jun 24, 2008 17:54:02 GMT
Dutchy,
Its great fun, endless source of pleasure and sometimes amusement when you see what you get!
Foz
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Post by oldmoleskins on Jun 27, 2008 14:20:55 GMT
OM, Does she only flower once a year ie now for about 2-3 weeks then no more till next year? Or go on flowring through summer as HT or have another repeat flush later in year? I suspect it may be the former. Do the leaves look like these? shape, size relative to flower and colour, yes I know they are all green but some are lighter or darker Foz Sorry for the delay, foz - I legged it to Scotland after the Open Gardens thing (still there) so I'll check when I get back if it's still flowering, and again in a week or two after that to nail this 'once flowering' thing, and leaf thing too. Not having really noticed it before, I can't tell from past years... OM. |
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Post by oldmoleskins on Jul 21, 2008 18:18:08 GMT
Having got the contract to supply Dutchy with her missing hips, I thought it best to do something to finally secure the row of plants concerned, so put some wires up, and let OH loose on pruning and fixing. This is the end result, tidier but naturally a bit spartan after so many years of neglect followed by fairly drastic clearance to let the light in a bit:  at the far end is a giant budd mentioned elsewhere, and beneath it and through it is growing this:  and the stem base  Whassat, then? Now, the roses... I have, despite every courtesy, encouragement and fulsome advice here still only the vaguest notion of care and identification, and have no real idea if these are climbers/ramblers (seems likely to me, they're all very close to the wall) or ordinary shrubs gone wild. Any observations welcome. In order from nearest  This has been identified as "Dutchy's Missing Hips"   a prospect of hips to come  It's difficult for me to say whether this is 'one time flowering or not, Foz: it's still staggering on... then  The stems on some are huge  Finally, the one most adversely affected by BuddSmother  Who knows, they might come to something... OM. |
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Post by Dutchy on Jul 22, 2008 8:04:10 GMT
;D
You have been bussy, or rather your OH has been.
My hip, only one?, does look promising although with a name like that it is not likely to become a big seller.
How many rose bushes did you find in total?
( no I will not dwell on the demise of a Budd )
Those roses must have been planted ages ago. Finally getting some light again will please them no end ;D
In all it looks like you will have a lovely rose covered wall next year.
Mystery plant, not a clue but as it was in a smothered area it could be a Honeysuckle. The leaves look like they could be. A bit pale green due to shortage of light but that never stopped a Honeysuckle.
Cheers
D
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Post by Chuckles on Jul 22, 2008 11:44:19 GMT
Is anyone able to name this mystery rose for me please? It is a David Austin rose and grows to about 4 to 5 feet tall. Its growth is very lax (I think that is the term!) and it can hardly hold its flower heads up after heavy rain (like last year). It has a gorgeous smell and I can rule out a few roses that it isn't (as I have them too and these photos don't really do this roses salmony pink colour justice). It isn't Gertrude Jekyll, Alan Titchmarsh, Eglantyne or Mortimer Sackler. The just opening bud on the very left of photo 2 is quite close to the true colour. Thanks! Jx Had a scout through DA web site this morning but not able to positively ID it for you Jasmine, it is lovely. Maybe someone else will recognise it Ooooh OM those roses are gonna look fab when they spring back to life and cover that really horrid ugly wall I'm still envious of that lovely wall in your garden I wondered if the mystery shrub is some sort of Philadelphus (sp) Mock Orange. |
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It's always looked like this so I decided to have a look on the internet and have not found one photo that looks like mine. Does anyone else have this rose or shine any light on how it should look please. 
