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Post by Tig on Apr 10, 2009 15:42:56 GMT
I rescued a climbing rose today (I wasn't going to buy any more roses but I felt sorry for it  ) The label has it named as 'Caribbean Orange' but I have googled and cannot find a climber with that name, anyone else heard of it? It has been treated dreadfully and all the little shoots have withered due to lack of water I think. Will it revive or have I wasted 20p? Tidied it up and given it a good drink, but not planting it out until I see signs of life ... or not  x Tig |
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Post by beanie on Apr 10, 2009 17:13:27 GMT
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Post by Rosefriend on Apr 10, 2009 17:24:02 GMT
There is unfortunately a problem with Roses - the names can be changed. A lot of the roses that we have here in Germany are of a different name to those in the UK - although they are the same Roses.
People like D. Austin roses and "old " roses tend to keep their names but it is incredibly difficult to "name" a rose - experts are mostly never completely sure unless it is a very well known and popular one.
I tried, years ago to make a list of the UK roses and the German counterparts - I gave up - it is too complicated.
As far as your rose is concerned Tig, give it a good chance. Sleeping eyes by the bud grafting can often take up to 6 - 8 weeks to "wake up".
Roses are tough little things actually, if a few simple rules are followed.
RF
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Post by Tig on Apr 10, 2009 18:32:35 GMT
That looks very much like the photo on it Beanie, thank you, scented too  Someone must have got it to climb! Thanks for the advice RF - I have had a look and there is no other information on the label  I think I can see a couple of dormant buds, so I hope it enjoys the rain and springs to life soon. x Tig |
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Post by Chuckles on May 16, 2009 13:35:42 GMT
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Post by fozzie on May 16, 2009 18:56:30 GMT
Tig I can only find three with Cribbean in the name and not a climber amongst them. One being the Beanie find. It is possible that it could have produced a "sport" that is a climber Has she shown signs of life yet? Are you sure yours is a climber?
BB plse no mention of BS it is damp and mild here!
Fxx
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Post by Tig on May 16, 2009 20:02:08 GMT
It was labelled as a climber Chuckles / Foz, but alas it is no more ... when I tipped it out of the pot it had hardly any roots and the entire stem was brown, so I stopped resuscitation at that point!
x Tig
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Post by Chuckles on May 31, 2009 12:49:48 GMT
BB plse no mention of BS it is damp and mild here! Fxx Sorry Foz, for my sins I have noticed some appearing also seem to have just started getting quite a few greenfly about, had a quishing session this morning. Wish the birds would eat the blighters ;D Tig you bad girl wasting 20p ;D Some of my roses purchased back end and planted in pots are really doing well, must take some pics. Mutabalis is in flower Foz, did you get one in the end. |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 8, 2009 19:54:35 GMT
Just a wee question Rf or anyone who would know. I planted one of the prunings from my rose L'Amant and it's grown roots and I've given it it's own pot today. As it's parent is grafted will the pruning be the same as the parent? Will it be as strong and the same colour etc....?
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 9, 2009 4:41:34 GMT
Just a wee question Rf or anyone who would know. I planted one of the prunings from my rose L'Amant and it's grown roots and I've given it it's own pot today. As it's parent is grafted will the pruning be the same as the parent? Will it be as strong and the same colour etc....? Well done LG - I have always found that if I really wanted a cutting to grow, it never did....the ones I wasn't bothered about were great. So to your cutting...it will be the same as the parent - colour, everything - obviously as long as it was taken from above the bud graft and not underneath (wild shoot) - then it would be the same as the rootstock. Own root roses tend actually to be stronger than bud grafted roses in that there is no danger that the bud graft will freeze or harden over. If the rose should freeze back in winter it will very probably shoot out again and it will be the same as the parent rose whereas on a bud grafted rose it could just be the rootstock that is emerging again - hardiness can be often negatively affected by bud grafting. Own rooted roses tend to be more expensive to buy, but they do tend to live longer than bud grafted roses. Also bud grafted roses can be bigger than own root roses depending on the rootstock. Looking forward to seeing pics when you can LG. RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 9, 2009 6:41:56 GMT
;D Thanks for all that info Rf and your quick reply. I'm very pleased to learn it should grow strong and hopefully stay healthy. I'm hoping it continues to do well for me and one day flower.  I did'nt even know how to plant or care for it's parent until you gave me the advice last year so it's all a big leaarning curve for me. Thanks again. |
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Post by fozzie on Jun 9, 2009 22:16:08 GMT
Well done M'lady.
It is something I always do at prune time, two or three will always go into the ground, or pot adjacent to the parent. Then you know wots wot. Easy to do, costs nothing therefore you loose nothing if they fail.
Fxx
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Post by Tig on Jun 9, 2009 23:05:24 GMT
I've just decided to prune my neighbours roses for her next spring I shall pay particular attention to those that I have coveted whilst watering the garden this past week .. one in particular had a most gorgeous scent which wafted everywhere! x Tig |
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Post by beanie on Jun 10, 2009 7:40:36 GMT
If your going to prune them for her , the word cuttings comes to mind ;D
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Post by Tig on Jun 10, 2009 10:26:26 GMT
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 10, 2009 12:52:25 GMT
Foz that's such a good idea, I think I'll try again when the pruning time comes round. ;D
Tig what a great way of getting some cuttings, there's a wealth of advice to be had here ;D
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Post by oldmoleskins on Jun 25, 2009 8:01:32 GMT
This is by way of a thankyou for the encouragement to save the rambler that rambled over the greenhouse from the wilderness, and by way of encouragement to Duchy, who has got some of the cuttings 'away' and might like to look forward:  OM. |
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Post by Tig on Jul 9, 2009 23:14:41 GMT
My climbing Iceburg has flowered brilliantly so far this year. But I spotted a pink bloom on it today, I've never seen one on it before. Should I cut it off?  x Tig |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 10, 2009 12:59:11 GMT
Nooooo don't cut it off Tig... see what happens.
Climbing Iceberg is actually a sport itself - who knows maybe a sport will develop a sport. Actually Iceberg flowers can be slightly pinky at times but that looks very pink to me.
There is also a pink Iceberg Rose out now as well.
It couldn't be another rose that has wormed it's way in can it??
RF
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Post by Chuckles on Jul 10, 2009 13:30:31 GMT
OM that looks a lovely rose, beautiful colour and I bet it smells devine. RF whats a sport  My Iceburg has pinkish flowers sometimes, I find that it's the second flush of flowers that do this, mostly they are white but occasionaly they are tinged on the edge of the petals with pink too. |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 10, 2009 14:01:44 GMT
It is often a second flush of flowers that are slightly different...
A Sport....right, well, - as simply as possible - a sport is a genetic mutation that happens naturally and actually is an easy way that breeders have of getting new varieties. A totally different coloured rose can suddenly appear.
A Sport can be very stable, staying the same colour that has appeared but it can also be unstable and reverse back to the colour of the parent.
The "Peace" rose is a rose that is famous for it's many sports - Climbing Peace, Chicago Peace, Flaming Peace and others.
RF
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Post by Tig on Jul 10, 2009 18:34:57 GMT
I have been and had another look, it has faded a bit in the sun, but still has a pink middle  I can see where it is growing from the main stem, no other flowers or buds on it yet. Should I mark it in some way RF ('cos I am bound to prune it off!) What should I do with it then??? x Tig |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 11, 2009 7:09:37 GMT
I would tie a piece of wool, cotton or whatever around the stem to mark it and then prune it as you would normally to ensure a second bloom and then wait until it flowers again....
RF
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Post by fozzie on Jul 16, 2009 20:01:50 GMT
Tig, your pink iceberg, is the flower stem on a side shoot or one of the main shoots?
The reason being if it is on its own side shoot you may be able to propagate that shoot into a full grown plant. If it is on a side shoot - is it the only flowering stem or are there more buds? - how long is the sde shoot if longer than say 9 inches you could use it as a cutting but mark it as RF said so you know which shoot it is. If the flower shoot is on one of the main stem and is a pink amongst white. Then its those things you love SEEDS. You will still need to mark the flower so you know which hep you are looking for. Then it is as Alberta. Talking of which mine no sign how about you?
Fxx
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Post by Tig on Jul 16, 2009 22:32:46 GMT
My Iceberg had a good trim last year Foz, and the pinkie is growing from a side shoot off a side shoot, (it that makes sense ). It is about 3 foot long to the flowering tip and as it is about 9' up in the air I haven't managed to prune it back, and I can't see any more flower buds forming on it at the moment. I will need to get the ladders out to deadhead it, or I could reach the stem and cut it off lower down, then maybe try and root it, but is this a good time of year to do it? Alberta ... still dormant, I think they are waiting for the big freeze before they decide whether or not the climate will suit them in Staffordshire  x Tig |
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Post by fozzie on Jul 17, 2009 18:36:21 GMT
Tig,
I am half Oirish and you have seen the way I describe things, so that made perfect sense as well as telling me that the main stem is at least 3 years old. Anyway enough of that, the fact that she is on her own side shoot is good. When you prune the plant (Jan/Feb), so you need to tia a yellow ribbon,
check the size of the shoot if it is say middle finger girth then leave the bottom pair of leaves, to force that shoot to put out more side shoot(s). If too small (girth) then cut back clean to growth point where it is growing from its "parent" side shoot.
You should remove the soft growth from the growing tip. I guess you will have about 24 - 30 inches of pruning, you should get a few "cuttings". I normally aim at approx 8 inches per cutting. (If I am now telling you things you already know I am sorry, because they are just hardwood cuttings really) This sounds silly but they do need to be the right way up that is feet not head in the soil I alway make a straight cut at the bottom just below a leaf node, with the top cut angled (as you would with a normal pruning cut, this time above a leaf node. Now the medium, for everyday cuttings, you have heard me say it many times just shove them in the soil leaving approx 2 inches above ground. This time as they are more precious I would be inclined to use as a minimum a1 litre pot,(see how I am bilingual in measurement terms Imperial - Metric , Metric - Imperial. its of no consequence to me). My mixture would be third your besrt soil, third gen purpose compost or your own and a third course sand. You can be heavy handed with the sand. Again plunge them to at least 2 inch showing on the surface, this may dictate the size of pot. I have been known to put sand at the bottom of the holes for very special cutings. Do the usual with leaves if there are any, remove all but top pair. They should not need protction but standy by with the fleece on cold night or put to bed in GH or Cold frame. I know your space is at a premium so not sure if you have frame or GH
Gosh it is so difficult trying to explin things in the written word without talking down, sounding like an ijit and/or starting each sentance with the same word.
Fxx
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Post by Chuckles on Aug 11, 2009 11:54:34 GMT
Not a rose comment or question but something I've just read that Fozzie wrote some time ago in the A YEAR in the GWD Garden thread on the Gardening Chat board about Hybrid T's, I've not stopped laughing yet  " If you grow HT (spit), you should know better. But to keep the blooms large remove the small side buds if and when they appear, using finger and thumb ". |
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Post by Tig on Sept 15, 2009 12:13:42 GMT
My Iceberg is still flowering it's socks off - and they all look 'pinkish' to me now  I think it must be 'tickled' ;D x Tig |
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Post by Chuckles on Sept 20, 2009 20:21:15 GMT
My Iceberg is still flowering Tig and I always get a 'tickled' pink look to mine this time of year |
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Post by Dutchy on Oct 15, 2009 7:33:08 GMT
This is by way of a thankyou for the encouragement to save the rambler that rambled over the greenhouse from the wilderness, and by way of encouragement to Duchy, who has got some of the cuttings 'away' and might like to look forward: OM. I took the risk of digging one cutting up and put it in a pot. I now have two cuttings alive. One at MssK and one in pot. To get those flowers I will have to wait till next year but is sure looks like it is worth waiting for. i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd161/GWDAdmin1/Smilies/Default/kiss.gif Did you cut it back hard this year? And if so did it grow back very vigorously? I am wondering how big it will grow as I need to find a good space for two ( providing they both get through Winter ) |
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Someone must have got it to climb! 
lots of lovely buds appearing too 
