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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 25, 2013 19:30:29 GMT
Nothing at all torontotrini this is one of the reasons we plant our clematis deeply. They have a chance of coming back even if we have to cut them right down as yours has done although perhaps flowers will be later. Hope it does well this year for you. |
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Post by Jasmine on Jun 25, 2013 19:36:28 GMT
I think what we would sometimes assume is wilt is s+s (snails mainly as they can climb) TT. They can munch new growth so badly the plant wilts and dies almost before your eyes. I have been better with the slug pellets this year but have still lost new growth in areas of the garden with more shade or denser planting.
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Post by torontotrini on Jun 25, 2013 19:59:57 GMT
Thanks Jasmine. I've seen quite a bit of snails (and slugs) activity around the garden - just ask my hostas  . I'm already seeing it again this year. But usually you can see evidence of hem munching on the leaves, but with the clems that died last year, their leaves did have any signs of something chewing on them. They just turned all crinkly and brown and died. And yes, I've found the slug pellets reasonably effective. I tried them for the first time last season and my hostas in particular seemed to have benefited. I started putting the pellets out again a few days ago so I hope that works again this year. I used to use the beer thingy against the slugs and it worked well for a couple of seasons, but either all the alcoholic slugs got wiped out or the remaining ones smartened up, but after the first couple of seasons it was no longer noticeably effective. |
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Post by Jasmine on Jun 26, 2013 5:03:48 GMT
That's interesting TT...about the slug pubs. I have to say I've never tried those - I'd rather they slithered off and curled up somewhere I think!
What I noticed with one of my clems - Princess Diana - was not that the leaves were being munched but a snail must have worked it's way up the new main stalk and stripped it down one side. I suppose that is the equivalent of ring barking a tree so the whole stalk wilted and died. It has a new stalk now...protected by pellets!
I should have said I'm not suggesting there's no such thing as wilt - I know nothing really! The snail damage was just a chance observation.
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Post by Geranium on Jun 26, 2013 6:04:38 GMT
I'm afraid group 2 Clems are the worst when it comes to wilt. My Vivyan Pennell gets it every year. There isn't anything we can do about it, I'm sorry to say, but they do seem to shoot again the next year. The viticellas are apparently the best/easiest to keep as they don't seem to suffer. Mine seem to be late - like everything else. 'Niobe' is usually in full flight by now, but is only half-way up the obelisk. Dear Nellie is strutting her stuff though, and she's late too! She's usually finished by June.  |
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Post by Barbara on Jun 26, 2013 12:03:07 GMT
 This got snapped in all the messing about making room for scaffolding so it's done really well to produce some flowers this year. |
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Post by Jasmine on Jun 26, 2013 12:13:28 GMT
Oh bless it Barbara - it didn't want to let you down! |
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Post by torontotrini on Jun 26, 2013 14:21:09 GMT
It's good to hear that wilt, whatever it is, does not necessarily kill the plant, but I hope it doesn't hit my clems again this season. It was very depressing watching a full healthy clem with buds about to open just dry up. My Niobe is just about ready to be the first bloom to open this season. I'll keep a more careful eye if the same thing starts happening again to see if there are any signs of more subtle snail damage Jasmine. I preferred the pub thingy Jasmine because I wanted to see clear evidence of their demise, although I must admit that seeing a bunch of dead slugs floating in a flat can of beer every morning looked a bit gross.
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Post by Barbara on Jun 26, 2013 14:25:32 GMT
Not to mention the smell on a warm day TT.
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 26, 2013 14:28:09 GMT
Must admit I have had my fair share of wilt and slug damage on them but 2 years running Clem Prncess Diana has had slug attack on the stems although it came back - other large clems just had wilt, died but did come back... torontotrini - we did the beer traps for the slugs, broke my OH's heart to waste good beer btw, and all we got were a couple of slugs but a load of drunk and dead mice...least they died happily, I suppose... Slug pellets from now on.. RF |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jun 26, 2013 15:31:38 GMT
One of the people on the allotment used beer traps for slugs but never came along to clear them regularly enough. The flies were always buzzing around.  Those are smashing Clems Barbara and Geranium. I'm hoping for late flowers on mine in the centre bed after they were cut right back last year and the same for the one on the railings. It does have lots of buds. |
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Post by torontotrini on Jun 26, 2013 19:11:45 GMT
torontotrini - we did the beer traps for the slugs, broke my OH's heart to waste good beer btw, and all we got were a couple of slugs but a load of drunk and dead mice...least they died happily, I suppose... Slug pellets from now on.. RF I can understand your OH's feelings about the beer RF Fortunately I don't drink beer, but if anyone had suggested that I use scotch instead that would have been a straight NO Way. My beer traps didn't get any mice although I've seen them (or at least the same one more than once) running around in the back garden occasionally. Maybe it's like me and doesn't drink beer. It can just forget about getting any of my scotch though. |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jun 26, 2013 19:29:28 GMT
torontotrini - we did the beer traps for the slugs, broke my OH's heart to waste good beer btw, and all we got were a couple of slugs but a load of drunk and dead mice...least they died happily, I suppose... Slug pellets from now on.. RF I can understand your OH's feelings about the beer RF Fortunately I don't drink beer, but if anyone had suggested that I use scotch instead that would have been a straight NO Way. My beer traps didn't get any mice although I've seen them (or at least the same one more than once) running around in the back garden occasionally. Maybe it's like me and doesn't drink beer. It can just forget about getting any of my scotch though. hahaha - go on torontotrini try a thimbleful of your scotch.... Get your camera ready to see the neighbourhoods population of mice staggering down your drive after a nifter !! RF |
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Post by Jasmine on Jun 27, 2013 15:04:11 GMT
Clematis Parisienne  |
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Post by Rosefriend on Jul 8, 2013 18:30:29 GMT
A lovely flower TeeGee - how large does the clem grow to?? Rf |
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Post by TeeGee on Jul 8, 2013 18:58:18 GMT
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I presume you mean the plant! If so I am afraid I don't know yet as this is the first year I have grown it!
i saw one at RHS Wisley a few years ago and it was around three metres long!
if you mean the flower! Then that one is around 75mm (3") across.
i hope that answers your question....Tg
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Post by torontotrini on Jul 10, 2013 13:02:35 GMT
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Post by Tig on Jul 10, 2013 18:05:17 GMT
Lovely clems all - I've got filigree and so far the s & s brigade are loving the flowers  This has been the best year ever for sieboldii  Blue angel has just started performing, some with six and some with four petals.  |
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Post by torontotrini on Jul 10, 2013 19:58:49 GMT
That seboldi is lovely, Tig. I wonder if it is hardy enough for here. I'll have to keep an eye out for it. Sorry about the s & s brigade. Funny thing they don't bother my clems much; nothing like how they go after my hostas.
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Post by Tig on Jul 10, 2013 23:32:26 GMT
Sieboldii is the most tender one I grow torontotrini! I've tried them several times in the garden and always lose them over winter. This time I've grown them in a pot and put them in a growhouse overwinter kept on the dry side. They still get freezing temperatures but not as badly as when they are outside. |
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Post by Ladygardener on Jul 11, 2013 6:43:20 GMT
All lovely Clems. Hope the wilt leaves you alone this year torontotrini . Tig well done with Sieboldii I've tried 3 of them and had to give up in the end they just did'nt do for me. |
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Post by Auricula on Jul 11, 2013 8:28:04 GMT
Great clems folks  |
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Post by torontotrini on Jul 11, 2013 12:28:07 GMT
Sieboldii is the most tender one I grow torontotrini! I've tried them several times in the garden and always lose them over winter. This time I've grown them in a pot and put them in a growhouse overwinter kept on the dry side. They still get freezing temperatures but not as badly as when they are outside. That doesn't sound too promising for its survival here Tig/LG. If it can't deal with a winter there, trying it here would most likely be a lost cause from the beginning. |
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Post by Tig on Jul 11, 2013 12:43:49 GMT
I thought you might find that information useful TT, the colour and form of the flowers is beautiful though, but if that one pops its clogs I shan't invest again.
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Post by torontotrini on Jul 11, 2013 15:06:59 GMT
"pops its dogs"?  Haven't heard that one before. |
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Post by Tig on Jul 11, 2013 15:18:46 GMT
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Post by Geranium on Jul 15, 2013 5:44:06 GMT
I chose 'Mary Rose' for the wall border because apparently it's the first recorded Clem - they can date it back to 1500 when our house was also built... That's your history lesson for the day. Here's a Mary Rose flower.  'Semu' is also in flower, but the photo doesn't do it justice. It's a much more vibrant colour.  |
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Post by Geranium on Jul 28, 2013 5:22:04 GMT
This is weird and I have no explanation for it, but my C. vit. Venusa Violacea has turned out much paler than usual. I put two photos together, one from last year, so you can see. It's still pretty, though.  |
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Post by Geranium on Jul 29, 2013 6:16:30 GMT
I made another tile of my Clem. vit Alba Luxurians, which has gone crazy this year. It's grown off the top of the obelisk, and is wound round several other plants. I haven't had the heart to chop it back yet because it's in full bloom.   |
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. I'm already seeing it again this year. But usually you can see evidence of hem munching on the leaves, but with the clems that died last year, their leaves did have any signs of something chewing on them. They just turned all crinkly and brown and died. And yes, I've found the slug pellets reasonably effective. I tried them for the first time last season and my hostas in particular seemed to have benefited. I started putting the pellets out again a few days ago so I hope that works again this year. I used to use the beer thingy against the slugs and it worked well for a couple of seasons, but either all the alcoholic slugs got wiped out or the remaining ones smartened up, but after the first couple of seasons it was no longer noticeably effective.
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Haven't heard that one before.
